so according to the famous missile spreadsheet, rn the r77 has 138,000n of thrust overall, now the r77-1 which irl supposed to have 50% thrust overall only has 170,450 of thrust overall with no second booster,? now i dont think i need to explain to u that the jump from 138,000 to 170,450 isnt even scratching the 30% increase mark, the r77-1 still has alot of drag which was supposed to be less than the old r77 due to more streamlined nose and new refined grid fins which reduce drag overall a bit, maybe the devs will add a second booster later on to the r77-1? rn i think the r77-1 is the same shit like the r77 but just a bit better and not as it should be, and i think it deserves more thrust a bit and lower drag to make top tier more balanced, qnd possibly make the su30sm only carry 10 of these if its op, further more whats with the making the r77-1 have no sustainer as it should??
R-77-1 has less drag than R-77 in game.
Statshark says it has more, but that makes sense cause speed = drag
Edit: nvm I see it now, lower drag coefficient once it drops speed
i know, like 2.5% less drag but the only reason they done that is because the r77-1 is faster because of the extra thrust so its faster than the r77 initially, so they put 2.5% less drag to counteract that, but 2.5% less drag is still not enough, it should be 5-10% less, more like closer to 5%, and also that still doesnt solve the lack of thrust.
Am I imagining things or did they remove the 77-1’s sustainer?
Probably a whoopsie, but I hope it’s fixed 😅
Has been removed from the start actually
they indeed removed the sustainer of the r77-1 and made the first booster longer and stronger, which is a weird move but yk gaijin will gaijin who knows what they might change again
pretty sure it has more thrust now than it did with a split booster not sure tho, cant remember the exact number (edit its almost 100 total m/s more than before)
it does have more thrust now , but still it was only a really minimal increase from when it had a sustainer, like only around 5% or so, which is still not enough, they should add a sustainer now and keep the main booster as is, the sustainer added should burn for like 3 seconds and exert like 11,000 or 12,500N of force per second and that would solve the r77-1 almost completely without needing to tweak the drag alot via dynamic drag or lowering it as a whole, and the missile would be balanced and competitive to the amraam which was the WHOLE POINT of adding the r77-1 in the first place, so the russian could have something competitive to the amraam
oh boy, you’re gonna release an angry horde with that statement
I don’t think it needs any changes tbh, it is now the best all rounder missile, being third best at close range(behind Mica and stock R-77), and third best at long range(behind fakour and Aim120A/B)
that plus you can carry up to 12 of them, with 2 R-73s for backup(remember that you always have the 2 R-73s, where EFTs, Rafales have no close range IR missiles if they bring 8 ARH), means that the Su-30SM + 77-1 should be reasonably well balanced, if not a little strong
the real loser is going to be the server hamsters, with up to 12×16= 384 ARHs flying in the air at once
No sustainer but longer main motor burn
american mains when their amraam has competition:
“NOOO YOU CANT HAVE GOOD WEAPONRY FOR BVR!!! THATS IMPOSSIBLE AND UNFAIR!”
realistically i dont think anyone would take 12 of them tbh, thats just makes ur flight performance bad, id rather take 10 of them and the rest as r73s so i can be faster for better bvr launches
I personally go with 8/2/4 77-1/et/73
It’s probably heavier lol
the ets will make u so much heavier i dont think it would even be worth taking ngl, just take 8 77-1 and 2-4 r73s gang
maybe even 10 r77-1 if u feel like it, but youd be heavy asf still
ETs are just too funny to not take though
EFT can carry 6x ARH and can take 2x IR without sacrificing anything.
my point is that it doesn’t take 8+2.
you sacrifice 2 IR missiles if you want to carry 8 ARH missiles.
the new Su30 can take 10+2+2, 12+2.
even the 27SM can take 6+2+4 or 8+4.
Being a larger and heavier airframe tends to allow you more hard points