nope
iirc the difference between slot antennas and planar is explained here:
Yeah i’ve been looking into it a bit… unforunately there is no specific numbers I can use to bug report the r-77-1 seekerhead, so while it’s certain the r-77-1 seekerhead is superior to the original r-77, there is simply a lack of specific information on it for a bug report
r-77m
confirmed:
- shorter middle fins
- lost grid fins, replaced by conventional fins
- appears to be longer than normal r-77-1
full image
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Two-pulse engine noises.
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not sure if that’s confirmed, everyone says that but haven’t seen any thing that DEFINITIVELY confirms it, although just based off looking at the missile it self and considering it’s much longer it seems unlikely that they didn’t do that
Everywhere I’ve looked that seems to be what’s said about it but you’re right. I’m allowed to say dream.
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It would be a very good bet that it has a dual pulse motor given that the technology is relatively simple and almost every modern A2A missile coming out in the next few years also has them.
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Funny how they’ve gotten rid of those terrible genius grid fins that so many ppl in this thread have tried to pretend was the greatest aerodynamic feature ever put on an air to air missile in the history of air to air missile development
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They removed the grid fins since the folding grid fins they wanted to do didn’t work out and added complexity they didn’t wanted
So in order to make the r-77 fit into the internal weapons bay of the su-57 they switched to normal fins
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The primary advantage of grid fins is literally packing for internal weapon bay storage. Its likely the reason they were picked in the first place as the missile was being developed for use in internal bays of next gen fighters at the time of their development.
Grid fins just arent good for AAM’s.
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R-77-1 is still in full production and available for export, planar fins offer stealth advantages but you have been so insulted over losing that argument all the time that you felt the need to put that little jab in after the person you “blocked” said something👍
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I wonder if gaijin will piss entire US playerbase by adding R-77M to Su-35S, or they will limit it to just having R-77-1 without even giving R-37M
This one is looks more logical Su-30SM just need better engines
R-77m is a completely unknown missile, its still in testing and its a relatively new program, what it hopes to achieve is parity with aim120d, id say thats pretty unlikely to come to the game.
If the trends continue like the aim120c5 then R-77-1 will be enough for a long while as its still pound for pound the best missile in the game, now if the aim120 bugfixes actually come in and make it competitive its going to be more equal but rn R-77-1 on a faster airframe is more than enough.
base model R-77 is also still sold and for production, that says little of value about the capability of said system.
this is the Astra mk1 from India, a country which operates r-77 and is trying to replace it with indigenous designs.
here you can see PL12AE and PL15e, respectively the export versions of PL12A and PL15, now these are the modernized variant of china’s first indigenous fox 3 and its bigger brother, im missing a closeup of PL-17 so thats missing, now china used (and still has inventory) of export R-77s, knowing china they’d have reverse engineered the shit out of em.
now do you happen to see whats missing in both of these pictures?
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The base R-77 was never sold or exported, RVV-AE is available for export but it is also upgraded from base R-77 and is used for legacy equipment that does not include the modern Su-35 and Su-57 variants that are currently for export. They still offer RVV-SD and R-77-1 for those newer airframes and will continue to do so.
Right next to the PL-12 you can see a traditional AIM-9 tail and above it a modernized tail control AAM, China’s developments not including grid fins speaks nothing to the capability of missiles that do utilize them. The focus for China is range and stealth, India’s design is worse than the R-77-1 as far as I am concerned.
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