The R-77 'ADDER' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

They haven’t abandoned it, but there are a number of reasons for and against its’ use.

Grid fins allow high angles of attack, great precision, and lower torque from the control actuators.

They also have wave drag issues in transonic regions, and have a very large relative RCS.

These are not super beneficial in modern day because radar based MAWS allows users sufficient warning to successfully evade or decoy such ordnance. Interestingly, if the grid fins can be made to fold it makes for better storage space, however most modern missile designs are wingless.

No one refused. The exception is the Su-57, because the grid fins give a high RCS

I’ve always been surprised the grid fins of the R-77 and R-77-1 don’t fold on the aircraft, that seems like it would be a nice feature to have.

They add up

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where are the grid fins?

Is that thing ahead of the wings the umbilical port?

Didn’t think something that small could be that draggy

While they are removed, there are problems with their geometry

At the bottom is the fairing, at the top is the attachment point to the pylon

The geometry of that portion of the model was incorrect, in the meantime the body itself was tested without the fins.

Why? That just seems like a waste of time. There is never going to be a situation in which the missile is not going to have its fins installed when fired.

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And how would you estimate the increase in drag from the fins?

BBCRF is estimating the increase in drag due to the fins addition, this will give us an estimate of how much higher the drag should be for R-77 over other similarly sized missiles in the game.

The R-77 is quite lackluster compared to the other Fox 3s. We need the 77-1. Its a bit longer with stronger motor, can loft and better guidance.

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The standard R-77 is underperforming in a couple of ways that will likely improve the performance.

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but will gaijin fix it though ? , i think they will just skip to r77-1 or let su27sm/smt suffer with r77.

I find it unlikely that the issue will be resolved. The performance gap of fox-3s is much closer than was the R-27ER vs it’s peers.

Difference is, the others were performing fine to IRL, R-77 isn’t

Aim-7F/M was overperforming for a very long while with too low drag until gaijin nerfed it’s drag IIRC

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Is there a list or something of the ways it’s performance is incorrect?

That isn’t true, AIM-120 is underperforming in both front and rear aspect conditions at high launch speed / altitude as well.

At launch speeds above ~1.3 mach it heavily underperforms because it lacks dynamic drag coefficients. It is adjusted currently to meet launch ranges expected from subsonic launch, which by nature, include the wave drag that wouldn’t occur at higher speeds.

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