The R-77 'ADDER' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

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@MaMoran20
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@Prophet1313

proof the R77-1 does loft and in the absence of evidence of the R77 lofting why would you assume it does? That line

Su-35 BVR HUD video against Ukrainian MiG-29

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Ok but thats not an R-77. The HUD symbology is pretty clear even to a layman like me

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@Prophet1313

The F-86 Sabre was the predecessor to the F4 Phantom 2.

Very similar planes! Ahaha ha

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R-77-1

proof the R77-1 does loft and in the absence

[Prophet1313]

Maybe there is a translation barrier there so I’ll restate the above.

I am not arguing the R-77-1 doesn’t loft. I’m sure there are people here who know a lot more about that and I’ll defer to them. For the sake of the argument, lets assume the R-77-1 DOES loft.

From what I am seeing above there is zero evidence the R-77 BASE lofts. So my question is, Why, in the absence of evidence of the BASE R-77 lofting, would you assume it does loft?

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RVV-AE export version of the R-77 (which was to be produced in Kiev) The R-77-1 is an improved version of RVV-AE for its Air Forces

[Prophet1313]

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Very similar planes! Ahaha ha

It is obviously exaggerated for effect but has the same logical reasoning as you statement below

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The loft was mastered on the R-33. There is one on the R-77-1. It is logical that it was tested on the previous version i.e. R-77

[MaMoran20]

Yes, it was logical that R27ER have them right? The R33 is a much older missile than the R27 itself. But guess what, it doesn’t. If you mean something barely a loft https://youtu.be/ZWZDgHPTgDU?si=VXKhHNkj8Pf7GSel compared to https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?si=yIA_7yyVfceug6w9. Well, then Aim 7Fs do loft.

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I didn’t see any evidence.

Ofc you did, you just cover your ears as you don’t want to hear it as its not in your interest of it lofting

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@Prophet1313

From what I am seeing above there is zero evidence the R-77 BASE lofts. So my question is, Why, in the absence of evidence of the BASE R-77 lofting, would you assume it does loft?

Because the improved version would not have an loft. So he was not tested

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@MaMoran20

But guess what, it doesn’t. If you mean something barely a loft https://youtu.be/ZWZDgHPTgDU?si=VXKhHNkj8Pf7GSel compared to https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?si=yIA_7yyVfceug6w9. Well, then Aim 7Fs do loft.

Do you know the target parameters for the MiG-31? Then what are you proving?

Истребитель-перехватчик МиГ-31. Ослепительный МиГ. Ударная сила.

Here the rocket developer says that the rocket is gaining altitude of 30-40 km and attacking from above and this is confirmed by the test report

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And who is it, do i just ask in general?

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[MaMoran20]

Ok. Then why doesn’t the R27ER/R loft. They older planes.
In your logic the should be able.

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. It is logical that it was tested on the previous version i.e. R-77

Its it logical the R27s have them?

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I meant who? Or just in the general chat

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@MaMoran20

Ok. Then why doesn’t the R27ER/R loft. They older planes.
In your logic the should be able.

He wasn’t there.This is described in many books and manuals

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general or off-topic

[MaMoran20]

Yes, but as you said it is logical.
You cannot just say this for the base R77. As you’ve proven, the R33 indeed does loft but the base R77 remains unproven to loft. R27 manual doesn’t state whether it lofts or not.

[MaMoran20]

We shall wait now

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“Along with the main guidance option, special lofted trajectories can be used”