The R-77 'ADDER' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

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Thats probably true but that’s not what @MaMoran20 is saying.

Unless it is directly stated the R77 does, in fact, loft, Is it not more reasonable to assume it doesn’t? There is direct proof the R77-1 does loft and in the absence of evidence of the R77 lofting why would you assume it does? That line of reasoning is incredibly flawed and can lead to the following:

  1. The F-86 Sabre was the predecessor to the F4 Phantom 2.
  2. The Phantom was the predecessor to the F-15.
  3. The F-15 uses the AIM-120 AMRAAM
  4. Ergo it is logical to assume the AIM-120 AMRAAM was tested on the F-86.
  5. Since there is zero proof the F-86 did not mount the AIM-120 it must have fired AIM-120s over Vietnam

And since no one can prove a negative, you can’t prove the Sabre didn’t mount AMRAAMs over Vietnam.

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@MaMoran20
If you want to discuss if the R-77 has a loft or not, come. There are also active Su-30 pilots here

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Ok but thats not an R-77. The HUD symbology is pretty clear even to a layman like me
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Very similar planes! Ahaha ha

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R-77-1

proof the R77-1 does loft and in the absence

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Maybe there is a translation barrier there so I’ll restate the above.

I am not arguing the R-77-1 doesn’t loft. I’m sure there are people here who know a lot more about that and I’ll defer to them. For the sake of the argument, lets assume the R-77-1 DOES loft.

From what I am seeing above there is zero evidence the R-77 BASE lofts. So my question is, Why, in the absence of evidence of the BASE R-77 lofting, would you assume it does loft?

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RVV-AE export version of the R-77 (which was to be produced in Kiev) The R-77-1 is an improved version of RVV-AE for its Air Forces

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It is obviously exaggerated for effect but has the same logical reasoning as you statement below

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Yes, it was logical that R27ER have them right? The R33 is a much older missile than the R27 itself. But guess what, it doesn’t. If you mean something barely a loft https://youtu.be/ZWZDgHPTgDU?si=VXKhHNkj8Pf7GSel compared to https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?si=yIA_7yyVfceug6w9. Well, then Aim 7Fs do loft.

Ofc you did, you just cover your ears as you don’t want to hear it as its not in your interest of it lofting

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Because the improved version would not have an loft. So he was not tested

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Do you know the target parameters for the MiG-31? Then what are you proving?

Here the rocket developer says that the rocket is gaining altitude of 30-40 km and attacking from above and this is confirmed by the test report

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And who is it, do i just ask in general?

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Su-30 Mod Server for DCS

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Ok. Then why doesn’t the R27ER/R loft. They older planes.
In your logic the should be able.

Its it logical the R27s have them?

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I meant who? Or just in the general chat

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He wasn’t there.This is described in many books and manuals

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general or off-topic

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Yes, but as you said it is logical.
You cannot just say this for the base R77. As you’ve proven, the R33 indeed does loft but the base R77 remains unproven to loft. R27 manual doesn’t state whether it lofts or not.

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We shall wait now