All new “tech trees” from this point onwards are all copy paste.
And since their entire economic model is predicated on adding vehicles they are coming to a point where things are going to get sillier and sillier.
You should probably type more so we know what you’re trying to say
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All new trees from now on will contain copy paste, sure, but all nations that Gaijin could realistically choose from have quite a large number of unique stuff too. This mainly goes for the ground side of things, but there are also some nations left that have aircraft and ships of their own too.
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all of their “unique” stuff are modifications of existing vehicles I have never seen a proposal that didn’t include either 90% of the tree being direct copypaste or only slight mods.
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The severity of modifications can make a vehicle unique. As Stormryder likes to ask, is the Sherman Firefly copy paste?
And who is “their” that you are even referring to?
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I have a tree that I marked all C&P on that I could bring out if needed.
Yes as Mahiwew said “Do you consider the Sherman Firefly C&P?”
Becuse if yes this the US tree itself is 90% C&P.
That’s my point exactly… most of these trees have extremely minor modifications
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Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia, the Koreas, Turkey, Switzerland.
These are the primary examples of what good future trees could look like.
I’d mention Benelux too, but that appears to be more controversial than I’d hope it’d be.
Might as well throw Spain in the mix too.
Romania in theory, but they’d run out of steam sooner than appreciated.
Even Iran could surprise you.
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If people think that it be like saying the gripen is a copy and paste f/a18 as they uses the same engine and weapons
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Slightly different variant,
Here is the Hungarian one, you can see a bit different shape of the turret (these bulges cover ventilation system).
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All of these do almost no domestic development beyond a few specific ranks (such as Poland having some earlier stuff for rank 1-2 maybe) as far as I can see.
I’d much rather all of these be added as subtrees rather than full blown nations that just creates MORE grind and screws up the matchmaker EVEN more.
You try’na convince me sub-trees aren’t more grind? You gotta unlock them, no?
And who is forcing you to play new trees xd?
I’d like to know then about the low tier aviation of several of these countries, as well as literal families of vehicles that they produced even up to today.
BVP M-80 doesn’t ring a bell? How about the L-39 family? I’ve heard excellent things about quite a lot of Swiss prototypes.
And you still haven’t answered my question. Does the Sherman Firefly count as copy paste? A minor modification even? I’d be very curious to hear.
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That’s not true V1 (the first mass produced export variant) exported to Warsaw pact and Egypt. Hungary and Egypt received first vehicles of the batch.
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uhhh- that is false. All of them still build things to this day.
Heck, even nations that have had their Military Industrial complex destroyed or bought by others still build things to this day like Canada with its AVGP/LAV families.
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You don’t have to unlock subtrees. They’re just another line in the tree.
You still have to unlock the vehicles is what I meant. The grind continues.
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Subtrees are a grind, but they’re nowhere near the grind of a new tree because they (usually) have less copy-paste and you have the other vehicles in the tree to research them with and run them with in lineups.
You’d think, but take a look at Finland and now Hungary.
Yeah sure, Hungary has most of it’s line as worthy additions, but combined with SPAA they not only brought in new copy paste into Italy, but also destroyed their western character. Quite a shame if you ask me.
For Sweden it isn’t a big deal, being a neutral nation that operated certain ex-Soviet vehicles, but it’s a huge bummer for Italy. Brazil would’ve been a much better addition, but alas.
I do see the benefits of sub-trees, but they don’t have to be mutually exclusive with new independent additions.
Imagine all ‘minor’ trees get their sub-trees, have good lineups, all the good stuff. Then what? Gonna bloat said tree further with more sub-trees? Destroy the nation’s character further? Waste potential for what could’ve been independent trees if any such nations are involved? Or even leave out nations that would’ve better suited a sub-tree status because a more potent nation got cucked?
The current sub-tree model is no more sustainable than the independent tech trees are. Given, this is a flawed way of looking at things, as War Thunder could easily have another decade or even more behind it with the combination of independent- and sub-tree additions, but it truly is no better than the independent concept.
Besides, where to put nations like Iran or Yugoslavia? They don’t neatly fit anywhere…
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In my opinion, going forward, it should be either alternating what comes each year. Sub-tree one year independent next or independent one half of the year sub-tree the other.
So we get a new independent tree in the first update the sub-tree should come in one of the last. the other is self-explanatory.