Nah. Remember F-5E? Then the MiG-23MLD? And then when the F-14A was introduced it was both a dogfighter and a missile bus.
Also furballs were a lot more pronounced back then because of smaller maps.
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F-5E? You mean the interceptor, which is the primary meta playstyle of that vehicle… cause it can cut off many aircraft that head toward it.
Mig-23MLD was boom and zoom as well.
F-5E only does well cause people try to dogfight in the boom & zoom meta.
Did you even play during that time? Either that or you don’t remember F-5E vs MiG-23M era.
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@Axzuel More than you.
I even got the F-5E.
Mig-23M was useless outside of boom and zoom, the weakest addition to War Thunder by far.
F-4F ICE is a significantly stronger addition.
Not sure why Gaijin thought Mig-23M was a good idea.
It should’ve been R-60s and R-23Rs only, and made a lower BR and it’d be decent.
Until they gave it R-60Ms a month later
I literally have more games played in the F-5E than you.
The meta was dogfighting. The F-5E was really good at it. Remember this was when non PD radar couldn’t even lock anything with a hint of ground clutter so radar missiles were only useful above 3km. Boom and zoom was a viable tactic but its a support role.
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Cause I stopped playing the F-5E after it got spaded. The intercept playstyle, while effective, and over 90% of my frags in F-5Es [the Chinese one as well], it isn’t what I enjoy most out of aircraft.
The meta F-5E did best at is interception, which is what led to me striking KDR, cause dogfighting is not the meta.
The F-14 still plagues the game. They’re amazing planes for their BR even without the phoenixes. As things are the phoenixes are tremendously impactful for the team and split the opposing team up so that they can be outnumbered and torn apart piecemeal. By simply spamming some phoenxies down range from vantage points where no rival plane can touch them, players are either forced to waste time defending against the phoenix or if they’re a novice they fly into it. Either way the mission is accomplished: The defending team is split up and presents a smaller force in the furball once the teams merge.
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Not if you kill them first lol
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How are you supposed to kill a tomcat first when they outrange everyone by a few astronomical units? No they’re already returning to base to resupply after forcing multiple opponents to break off or die.
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ER platforms can kill them. Other than that, just don’t be dumb. I still climb on planes without ERs just to make myself a target for those Phoenixes so our dumb base bombers can actually survive.
I used to have this problem too. Here’s how I fixed it.
Step 1. Turn 90 degrees to the missile.
Step 2. Pop 2 chaffs in intervals of 2 seconds for 8-10 seconds
Step 3. Turn back to what you were doing
And if you don’t have chaff it’s a 17G missile. I’ve dodged them on accident sometimes. Once the burner dies fly upwards and in the opposite direction it came from.
A lot of the F-14 pilots do just like to keep flying straight and don’t know what the words “notch” or “crank” mean, but they both enjoy lower BRs than the 27ER flingers and they should be free to go defensive once their phoenixes go pitbull well before an 27ER can hit them. If they just keep flying straight into the ERs then that’s their problem. I’ve swatted many of them with sparrows from the F-4S. Just because many of them are fools that squander their massive advantage doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a massive advantage.
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Well since the Aim-54 isnt IR no amount of flairs will have an effect on it. If the missile is tracking you and you duck behind a mountain, it will continue on its last intercept path expecting you to be at a certain location. If you turn it will miss you, if the F-14 still has you locked with their radar the missile is getting tracking data from the plane and will track you better.
Thing is that, I launch my ERs at a greater range than their Phoenixes. That and they also have to provide DL to their missile until it goes pitbull so theres a good chance that the ER will connect. If they do defend, then just lock another target and the ER will swat them instead.
the Aim-54 can out range the 27er with out issue, its just that the further away its shot the less energy it has and the greater the risk of a miss. I shot an aim-54 at 40 miles out and it connected. It was someone who brought a prop plane but it still connected. The other thing is with the aim-54 i dont have to sit there and keep the locks on the planes i can fire and leave immediately. Thats because the system will go to where it expect to intercept with the last data it received. This only works with new f-4S pilots now but you can still get away with it sometimes since lots of people fly a predictive paths.
You’re not outranging their phoenixes with an ER, but if they choose to abstain until they get closer there is still a wide bracket of ranges they can get closer to launch more reliably phoenix launches while still defeating a hail mary ER shot’s energy by cranking. All you’re proving is that a depressing amount of tomcat pilots don’t know the first thing about defending in BVR combat because they’ve been leaning so hard on the crutch of having Fox-3s that outrange the universe.
The problem with shooting a Phoenix long range is that it’ll be much easier to dodge it. Small maneuvers are enough to make it fall out of the sky whereas an ER for example can still be maneuverable at low speeds it also just retains its speed better.
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Cranking is effective but in most cases its not enough against the ER. Remember that the ER can be stealth guided so throughout most of the ER’s lifetime it doesn’t need to care about the enemy cranking since its not tracking, its relying on IOG.
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Wrong. The only point that the AIM-54 outranges the R-27ER is at such a launch range that the Time to target is so long and the energy on the missile is so low as for the shot to be avoided by just the smallest maneuvers. Until the R-27ER runs out of BATTERY LIFE it enjoys such a tremendous time to target and any altitude range advantage against the AIM-54, you will kill a launching tomcat with time to leave the gridsquare before the pheonix goes active. And if he turns away, the aim-54 is trashed just by cranking while continuing to guise your R-27er even onto a cold tomcat.
The pheonix is literally a skillcheck missile, thats it.
I’ve outcranked rival 27ERs in the flanker. You’re speaking nonsense.