The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

1.16 KDr

Vs

0.74 KDr

How is the Buk better?

You do realize that the Buk has more then 4 times as many matches compared to the SPYDER, right?

You expect too much

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The point being is. Just because the buk is somehow “bad” doesn’t warrant the new pantsir

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0.81 KpS
vs
0.85 KpS
they are both equally bad
Its not the Spyders fault that the Buks stats are faulty due to the way its launchers work

Amen 🙏

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And BUK has the objectively better missile; SPYDER stats are inflated due to drones and helicopters. Their KPS is nearly identical. I have no idea how you’d die to SPYDER, the only thing you can die to is Python at close range, but Derby’s are trash.

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I know right. It’s that guy, and some other slimy weasel that I won’t mention the name.
You can find them on multiple threads derailing, gaslighting and just arguing in bad faith.

You get Z Warrior and Z_Ivan_V upvoting their comments as well.

You really think you can have an honest conversation about Russian equipment with them?

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I don’t like sharkstat cause it doesn’t paint the whole picture but my thing here is russia didn’t need a new spaa. Yet they broke an entire CAS for the BR by bringing in the panstir smv. I thought the irst was bad but the smv is literally impossible. Irst you at least have a chance

They catered to russia after the bmpt by saying buk was underperforming like other nations SPAA aren’t either. They implemented this spaa so poorly like the bmpt.

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I agree that the Buk wasn’t actually bad or that the Pantsir was needed, but Gaijin decided that their internal stat records for the Buk weren’t good enough, so they added the Pantsir as a result

I’m wondering if their internal stats is treating USA Germany and Russia as the big 3 and saying screw the minor nations. But even so, the panstir s1 was still good enough

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Which would be somewhat okay if they gave literally any context or info about their data, because right now it seems like a tech tree that was not overall struggling in top tier and did not have the worst SPAA got a new SPAA for no reason other than statpadding

I am 100% convinced that they just ignore most of their internal stats unless they can somehow extract money from the performance of a certain vehicles stats

Great performance? Add a premium version
Terrible performance? Add something better that will make people want to grind it

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Sadly you’re right. But at the same time I feel gaijin intentionally makes things bad to give them incentives to add more. It’s like the 2s6 (correct me if I’m wrong) they Nerfed it. Then proceeded to implement the pantsir s-1 because they deemed the 2s6 wasn’t good. To then later on buff the pantsir and the 2s6 later on and make them way better than what they were initially. (Radar capability more specifically) gaijin is just doing it again. Saying buk is bad to repeat the cycle.

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I bet you didnt turn your maws cms off.
Try it with that off they wont hit you

It doesn’t matter; they could have had their IRCM off, so that test is invalid. Also, 63% is completely made up, he is claiming that IRSI-T will score a hit from 5 out of 8 missiles fired. Anyone who plays SLM will tell you that’s completely false. If that were remotely true, firing 3 missiles would have a 99% chance of taking down a Mi-28NM. It falls apart really quickly, doesn’t it? None of us would be calling DLRICM OP if that were remotely true.

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There is no point arguing anymore.

This is the current state of top tier NATO vs Russia (I’ve already shown that over hundreds of games). If you don’t believe me, play 20-30 games in a row and tell us how many you won, strictly against Russia.

It’s a general trend, NATO gets dominated 70%-90% of the games. They don’t care about balancing the game, so nothing will change in GRB.

Bye bye War Thunder for the moment, at least until infantry mode gets released. Who knows, maybe they’ll balance this one.

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Yeah this can’t be good for the overall long-term health of the game when they actively refuse to buff NATO equipment but give Russia near perfect implementations of their equipment with each update. How does one even begin to ignore the bias? PARS, Spike, JAGM, Brimstones - all underperforming to an extreme degree as well as with NATO armor. Just make top tier battles mixed, RU vs RU teams would be the only way to make it balanced.

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RU vs RU teams

It’s gonna end up like that if they don’t balance the game. Western players won’t be ok to play anymore

You can’t be having fun when your team is getting run over 3/4 of the matches

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I’ve already seen a few RU vs RU teams lately, not once have I encountered it. Not when LMUR was added, nor when Kh-38 was added. They are actively killing the game for short term profit. The meta is so defined by Russia that you’d have to be a masochist to play NATO at this point.

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