The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

There is no way to tell if you had IRCM off, so I don’t really trust it. 63% is something you came up out of thin air, it is not a real figure when I have data from real battles to back my claims and debunk yours.

Again, an example brought up that completely took over the topic.

It’s more of a rusia being the only nation with 100% effective countermeasure to LDIRCM helis. Now 2 of them in fact.

In what regard?
They’re all technically over preforming.

Especially the Z-10. That thing never got shot down in our tests.

Double the amount of AGMs it should have
Fantasy LDIRCM Coverage
No problems with lofting compared to the others
The others are only undoubtedly overperforming if you take modern IR seeker LDIRCM resistance into account which Gaijin overall doesnt do

Oh my god… I am screenshotting this.

You literally come up with every little excuse.

Edit: it was on the whole time. I was trying to figure out how to reliably dodge all those new spaa

In a nutshell, the Pantsir SM-SV can ensure that NATO Helis can’t do much with a Pantsir out while NATO doesn’t really have a better way of doing the job the Pantsir SM-SV does currently so it ends up being a whole thing that turns sad.

The current (L)DIRCM implementation makes it almost impossible for most SAMs to reliably deal with helis.

Helis being a massive problem let to the introduction of the new Pantsir, which only fixed the issue for one side while making the problem worse for the rest of the world.

If (L)DIRCM was nerfed, the new Pantsir would be way less problematic.

That’s true, but the reason for it is another ru fan’s attempt at whitewashing an absolutely dirty and unfair vehicle. Just wait and see. If they will convince everyone that mi-28 suddenly became less of a menace they would try to pull a whole justification for SV addition out of it. They always do that.

There you go, you wrapped up the entire anecdote in a single post to get a point across, not the dozens of extra posts arguing about LDIRCM, which doesn’t even affect SACLOS missiles.

That’ pretty much sums up the problem.

As I said, at least DCS players put in the effort to actually learning and acknowledge when something requires teamplay, or what you can do if you don’t have a teammate accessible.

See I agree if the others are missing lofting they should get it.

Where I disagree is your hypothetical “they can’t carry 8” or whatever it is in game.

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You can disagree however you want but that doesnt change reality and the LDIRCM coverage that you conveniently ignored.

Idk man, Buk is the only of the ARH SAMs, that can engage helis reliably, due to the fact of Launcher radar updating fast enough, for it to hit a heli that is invisible to the missile radar.

My problem with this entire argument is people expect one CAS method to deal with a singular SPAA system. If the helis aren’t working, try something else, coordinate with teammates, etc. Yes the new Pantsir does two jobs at once, but everyone magically expects their CAS platforms to entirely mitigate those jobs.

A 63% chance is 5/8 missiles landing on a Mi-28, if this were remotely true, then none of us would be complaining lol. The audacity to lie like that, you have no spine.

The thing is, apparently irl it can have the coverage it has but the extra LDIRCM bit that’s supposed to be on the nose (I think it’s on the nose correct me if I’m wrong) isn’t modeled on the thing

How long have you played this game?

Everyone goes in turns.

It could go USA > Russia > Italy, > Germany, etc.

Everyone gets an OP vehicle for an update generally (unless your USA, and your vehicles continue to be op long past one update)

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How did I ignore it?

Didn’t I just say if there is an inaccuracy to fix it? With the example of lofting?

Why do you have it in your head so bad that I’m a bad guy? Like I really don’t get it. Is it my PFP? Because I lovedddd atomic heart

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I mean, Gaijins internal stats seem to disagree with that

The Buk definitely should have been more than enough to deal with all kinds of CAS, but it seems that the average USSR player just lacks the skill to use what is effectively the easiest to use SAM in the game

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