how is that different to AH-64E/Z-10ME???
It can but it’s difficult, I agree.
If the AA is afk/stupid…
…to get clapped by everything… unlike EF/Rafale/Gripen/F/A-18/F-16, the KH-38 carriers are a lot worst at mp… so no
But I do agree Pantsir was and still is the best SACLOS SPAA and the new addition wasn’t needed.
All these helis are bullies. It’s just the fact that Russia by default has the best tools to deal with them. So you know you’ll be fighting inferior AA when you queue with Russia. And the fact the LMUR is incredibly deadly, while at times you can fire 3 JAGM at a BUK and watch it survive.
All these AAs with 8 missiles like the Spyder or Chinese AA with only 1 ammo box sure are totally suited to fight off 1-2 Mi-28NM showing up. Trust. You intercept the first rain of missiles, then what? Hide somewhere hoping you don’t die, J out, die in spawn, go to a cap with your wheeled building?
Let alone a sad bag like the Flakrak having little chance to survive as long as you fire 3-4 missiles at it.
Su-30SM2 worse than F-18 and F-16? This has to be absolute ragebait.
No point in bringing that up, people will just tell you that their ATGMs aren’t as powerful as the LMURs and ignore the fact that helis all FnF helis are a problem because most SAMs can’t counter them
I’m not sure that’s how it works when usually the AA can’t intercept multiple volleys of ATGMs or actually evade incoming ATGMs because the maps are too small
at multy-pathing… yes
aren’t as powerful against MBT’s… not against anything else…
No they also need more than one to destroy a SAM.
I dont see the new pansir as OP; only good at destroying munitions and as good as the previous pansir in doing the planes or helicopters.
I mean, you have 16 and an easy way to restock…
You don’t even own a JAGM slinger. It’s pretty common to fail to kill even an unarmored BUK with 1 JAGM, requiring 2 or even 3 at times. Tanks pretty often survive 2+ JAGM
The LMURs are so powerful compared to it that they can splash damage AA if they stand too close to one another and net you multiple kills with 1 missile.(That happened to my NASAM)
Su-30SM2 is worse than F-16 and F-18 at multipathing? Explain cause you make 0 sense.
I literally said your options are better lol but Gaijin doesnt fix bluefor stuff if it doesnt make them money. Therefore id rather have GRB deteriorate for everyone instead of it just deteriorating for 9/10 tech trees.
Literally everyone agrees that LDIRCM helis are an issue but one tech tree has a vast advantage at dealing with them over the others
hmm well ig i didnt read clearly
ill use a different arguement then
is mach 1.8 not competitive for a TV missiles?
i didn’t say it wasn’t competent, i said it wasn’t as competent as Kh-38.
there’s a huge difference between each other, and even Kh-25ML was better cuz it was able of reaching Mach 2.0 too, with the difference that Kh-25 never had an IR guided version like Kh-29/38 and has 3km less range than the Kh-29.
i wonder if u’re actually trying to discuss with me or just compensate the fact u didn’t read the sentence entirely.
Yes and this is why AH-64 has 16 JAGM’s…
Sorry, but this is not LMUR “problem”…
Bigger and heavyier platfirom.
Dear members, I am not here to complain about Russian Bias but HOT DAME, I played top tier today apart from my usual BR 10 or less and ALL MY CAS options are OBSOLETE to the level of the amount of missiles, whopping 24, SPEED AND RANGE of this MF.
I AMMO DUMP everything into one SPAA and i mean ONE SPAA not Multiple and it wipes it out the sky and my helicopter from the farthest spawn PERIOD. MF got an ammo box and camp fire sipping tea and I can’t even play CAS anymore. I thought the BMPT was badish but this has literally made it so there is no reason to spawn ANY CAS, I have played USA, SWEDEN and JAPAN and this thing is absolutely BUSTED. The fact they thought Russia needed this when Japan has the worst SPAA system I’ve seen so far compared to the nations I played is beyond me. I love playing 12.7 and spamming helis but why is it I can’t get something nice like this for USA or Sweden or Japan? We have the tech in all these nations to have the equivalent but Russia already had a strong Pantsir… It’s not even bias it’s down right what the are they doing?
EDIT: I genuinely want War Thunder to have Nation Banning for Premium members (no offense to Russia) but I want to enjoy top tier not play against METAs all day. Games supposed to be fun but this is getting out of hand.
Massive skill issue. The F-15E is an even heavier platform, and I never had problems multipathing with it.
If the Su-30SM2 is worse than the F-16/F-18 according to you because ‘it’s bad at multipathing’, the only issue is between the keyboard and the chair.
I refuse to believe this is not ragebaiting/trolling
