Maybe so, but ive noticed a lot of people want those quick action maps and hate having to drive doing nothing for a whole minute and a half
Doesnt discount that all nations helicopters are still outrageously powerful as it stands.
Its almost like everyone forgot because of Russian CAS, then proceed to pin everything on Russian CAS like helicopters just sitting on their helipads slinging shit hasnt been an outstanding problem
I was referring to the KH38. And yes all helis are overpowered, the MI28MN has a leg up because the LMURs are better than JAGM for no reason whatsoever.
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It pretty much is. russias CAS SPAA combo was already extremely competetive and this addition just amplifies that
Im saying that western SPAA wont be as competitive regardless because of what the west currently focuses on.
Thats just a given
The KH38 situation I understand, but in the SPAA department if you do a bit of research, majority of the nations have a completely different mindset
It doesnt need to be if Gaijin didnt artificially hold back western CAS while giving russia CAS from fantasyland
Fair point, but as Ive said.
CAS has been pretty dominate and theyve gotta be careful moving forward, because its not like SPAA are going to be able to keep up in the current environemnt.
Sure they can give U.S more stuff to be on par with Russia, but then what happens with the SPAA and the added nonsense they gotta deal with
I meam hell, youve gotnpeople asking for Anti-Radiation Missiles when the game is nowhere near ready for that
They absolutely have to be careful but adding a mach 2 missile on the same side as the by far best SPAA coverage that was not underperforming in the slighest is the opposite of being careful
I will say that the BUKs kd rate was abysmal compared to the IRIST. IRIST handsdown has been the best SAM system in the game, even though thr BUK has better stats on paper.
Unless youre in a custom match where yoy have 50kms+ of space, its short lived.
The base Pantsir is only notorious right now for being able to iintercept a handful of munitions, but in the current munition spam environemnt, it couldnt keep up, not to mention how people have said its not that hard to deal with anyways.
Helicopter pilots get the only say of not being able to gimp a SACLOS missile
Most people know gaijin doesn’t care. Wonder if they remember the steam review bomb from a couple years ago and why it happened.They don’t interact with the community and the only ones that do are forum moderators. Their bug report “staff” are of no help half of the time. And the entire Gaijin staff most likely don’t even play their own game. And basically if its not Russian, its not worth their time.
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Meanwhile Japan SPAA
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Most SPAA have bad stats compared to IRIS T but those trees dont get anything and they dont even have something like the Pantsir as backup
Simply because those trees dont have anything irl to make up for it. Its just another one off sam system.
So its no surprise Gaijin was able to add the next evolution of the Pantsie since Russia didnt only focus on SAMS but shorads to defend the sams.
The entire point of the Pantsir lineage is defend the actual SAM systems.
Dont ask me why the west hasnt caught on
Youre still focused on SPAA, those trees could absolutely have gotten something else to make up for their bad SPAA but they got nothing. Only russia got something the instant one of their top tier parts was allegedly underperforming.
It is a surprise because this game should be focusing on balance. When you add one vehicle, you need to think about what other nations can bring to the table. Should we really make it historical? It’s not gonna be good
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Like what though.
You already got people saying “more bushmaster slop” because for some reason they expect a western ifv to have some form of bushmaster.
Adding a Patriot wouldnt change anything, a better SAM system that still has the same pitfalls as all the other SAMS in game
What does this even mean?
Never missed them, but there was / is no where near the same outcry against them VS russian equipment.
it quite literally still can lol. It happened to me not 2 weeks ago.
Gripen A at release was a literal UFO , there was more posts about the R77-1 or SU30 at top tier than it ever got.
The STRV 122 wether an issue or not absolutely stomped top tier into the ground for a very long time.
it was arguably the best top tier MBT before the 2A7 released.
Which is another topic, the 2A7 if that was in russia there would be absolute melt downs.
The KH38 MT I’ve said me piece on that before the thread was locked, you’re welcome to go read it and see.
the BMPT was another classic example of a ridiculously broken addition, usually a premium.
other nations not having proper SPAA? Like maybe Isreal who now have one, which is piss but still got one.
The fact is as well as far as I’ve seen for nation that lacked a “proper” spaa they never had one to add in the first place.
Alright mate, whataver you say.
I’ve argued back and forth with him before as well, but what you did was just flat up bad sport.
Sorry what?
IRIS T sprinkled into germany? it was added and shot almost immediately to the best SPAA in the game making the KD of what pantsir did childsplay.
the STRV for sweden was absolutely dominant until the 2A7 was added.
AH64E was added to not only USA BTW there are plenty of JAG slinging apaches in other trees.
Su30 when released was not the best of the top tiers. euro canards dogged it , F15E arguably bet it.
got access to the LMURs earlier than due to being a mod and not a full heli.
That’s it there AH64E is still destroying lobbies all the same lol…
the SU30SM2 for russia as most nations got stuff like the eurofighter eith AESA radars? it’s again not as if other nations didn’t recieve comparable jets?
russia get’s 10? when did russia get 10 vehicles?
What bar the BMPT have been actually “game breaking” I’ve played this game for around 6 years and plowed over 4 thousand hours into it across 10 nations.
the only biases there are, are premium ones.
Which some of said nerfs were reverted.
German hypocrisy? where did I say that? I also brought up the claws.
I also like to make many mentions to additions like the T58, Shir 2 when it dropped absolutely railed it’s bracket hence why it moved up so fast.
it quite literally stops any and all CAS from opposition teams of germany how does it not break top tier? xD
What does this matter in relation to my points?
Which got reverted.
I’m sorry but the list of other nations vehicles which either get stuff they shouldn’t or get preferential treatments.
Again they don’t suit the narative so they are left out.
OF40 MTCA at 9.3 is one such vehicle.
Leopard 1 sat at 7.3 while all its peers sat at 7.7 or higher.
T58 dropped at 8.3 ruining the entire 7.3 bracket.
the M1 abrams when it released caused the MM to get overhauled.
XM1 at release was ridiculously strong.
HSTLV at release was obscenely strong, still is but got several nerfs.
2A5 at release broke the top tier meta as did the A6
AMX 30 super is still broken as hell for its BR.
not to mention the addition of the likes of the prinze eugen for naval which ruined that area completely.
hell even the spice bombs are OP cas which out range most if not all other platforms bar the russian KH38, which as I refered to above go read my thoughts on it on the post about it.
Well BUK was performing the worst almost of every top tier SPAA; I don’t particularly care for this Pantsir I’ve yet to see it do anything other than shoot down a KH29 I fired that the other couldn’t.
It’s long range effectiveness VS actual fixed wing cas is still mediocre at best.
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That is true but then I could make the argument why all the other nations dont got Type 90 equivalents with 3 second autoloaders.
Whys Japan so special?
I will admit that BUK is absolutely abysmal compared to IRIS-T (in terms of KDR but not so much in interception rates), but I feel like adding a newer Pantsir was an overreaction by Gaijin, at least not without adding the necessary tools to have a proper counter, and I feel like there is nothing Western forces can receive that could overwhelm this new Pantsir system, other than maybe Brimstone 2/3 with mmW seekers.
So we are back to the old status quo of Russia having the best in class in both SPAA and CAS. It is still a SACLOS system at the end of the day and can be taken out like any other, but it is such an overkill system when S1 Pantsir was still more than capable.
This guy right there, he makes a good point. Do read
(This isnt sarcasm)