The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

“worst overall ammo capacity”

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6 missile ammo capacity (12) with launchers is not good.

Of course this is tied with several other vehicles,(the 1st NASAMS truly being the worst with only 4) but since the BUK relies mainly on it’s tracking director, (not the search radar) it’s performance isn’t all that great from the get go since it almost never has ample time to keep the plane in that scope.

Presumably as with any type of jamming or clutter, it would depend on the range to the target. Most CAS players operate within >20 kilometers. That is not sufficient enough for that kind of mechanic to work.

Now if one is assuming they’ll use it at close range like a dumb munition that just clutters up the radar when they initiate a pop up attack, that’s not how that works.

and in the proccess of adding something like that, you will screw over all the other SPAA. As game/map design generally doesn’t favor the multi-vehicles in any regard.

Not to mention we STILL have CAS players complaining that SP is too high.
" CAP 1 point and 2 scouts still can’t get a free loadout"
“2 kills, still can’t get a full loadout”.

I think he means Buk…

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Yeah nah they’re fine.

Someone ran the numbers a while ago. Here, in fact. Might be able to find it.

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Smsv has been known to intercept SURFACE LAUNCHED MISSILES from time to time

You can’t cure cancer by giving it AIDS

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How to cure gunshot wound:
Shoot him again!

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But you can kill cancer by introducing a bacterial infection into the same body; allowing the immune system to attack both the cancer and the infection. That’s immunotherapy.

Brimstones with F&F wouldn’t really be that strong, their range still sucks and the missiles are slow. Actual evil would be introducing smart cluster munitions (CBU-105, AKA destroyer of entire teams carried in the tens on F-15E)

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Oh sure you can, just look at jammer helis, gaijin managed to do it

the amraam er is essentially the ESSM, there is NEVER going to be a high altitude launch.

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that is literally “just because” though

i can tell you id rather use the bhisma 9/10 times

That depends on how you view it, when any other nation has something worse in their inventory, they get newer things to fill that gap at some point in time.

The BUK objectively was not good, but obviously the new Pantsir wasn’t needed… “just because”. Same argument can be applied to all the newer SPAA before it.

Why did they need it, “just because” CAS was so powerful (Not just Russian CAS) “Get better” or something, whatever the CAS players keep saying nowadays, I don’t know it’s irrelevant.

And it’s not like anybody is giving credit to any of the newer multi-vehicles, because most times you end up dead, they really aren’t that good, not compared to the Pantsir. Everything else is just a mild-inconvenience, but not a lot of the CAS players obligate themseleves to having those lackluster vehicles being improved so…

There are a bunch of planes that can safely destroy you, not even talking Yak-9K/UT.
A bunch of props like A21A-3 get bombs and CCRP, Black Widow gets good guns, radar that helps detect enemy CAS and 4 bombs that are positioned well enough that you can drop them from safe range, A21RB gets modern rockets that are positioned right under the belly.
There are a decent amount more planes that can do even scarier things around that BR, these are just some gimmicks I like.

All of the examples you mention are a world apart from a plane lobbing missiles from 10+ km outside of most of the opposing team’s weaponry (besides missile SPAA).

Dropping dumb bombs gets steadily less accurate the further away / higher you are. Same for rockets. You want to get them on target consistently? You can have to get in closer. You have to risk getting malleted.

Prop CAS is strong - but is not even in the same league as CAS that can hurl KH-38s at you from miles away or a helo sitting on the edge of the map chucking FnF missiles at you.

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Gaijin should create rooms just for Russia vs Russia and let the rest of us have fun, it’s getting really boring.

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What are you talking about lmao, NATO CAS still absolutely decimates teams when in the hands of a skilled player.