The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

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well as Alpharius pointed out, the formula is dependant on 3 input : the mass after burn, the diameter and the Cd :

=(H3 - H4 - SI(H5="-"; 0; H5)) / (H56 * (H6/2000)^2 * PI())

with

(H3 - H4 - SI(H5="-"; 0; H5)) = Total mass - first burn fuel mass - second burn fuel mass

and

(H56 * (H6/2000)^2 * PI()) = Cx x Surface area

From where i’m standing, they either overestimated the mass of the projectile after burn off, or the Cx they set in game is just too low

My suspicion is : they did not model stage separation properly and are using fuel mass to do so :

in the data sheet :
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That means the second stage would be 32.5kg. Now when you consider TKB-1055 (middle) :

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That 32.5kg all of a sudden becomes harder to believe, since the missile in the middle is 80mm in diameter, longer and weights only 18kg WITH fuel.

For comparison on Aster-30 (also 2 stage), the full mass of the booster is substracted when the first stage burns off :

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450-338 = 112, equal to the full mass of the terminal dart

All in all, i think the mass of the missile after both first and second stage burns off is largely overestimated

Just putting the value of TKB-1055 after burn off mass for reference, without changing any other value :

12.5/(1.15 * (60/2000)² * pi) = 3844

Now that’s still good, but far more reasonable and inline with other missiles

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3607

Honestly, i wonder if the dart should even have fuel

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3608

yeah, not even getting into the amount of damage it does

Feels like a telephone pole at times

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Warhead of the missile weights 25kg

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56E7 = 95Ya6
57E6M = 95Ya6M

I assume ?

I mean in this context warhead mean “second stage” or “dart” i would imagine ?

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3611

Yes

That should be pure warhead weight, but let me confirm with a different source
Edit: It is the mass of warhead only, not the 2nd stage whole

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So the warhead would be 3/4 of the weight of the dart ? That seems quite impossible if you ask me

Even if the dart had no fuel, you still need space and weight for control / computing / airframe

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Idk what to tell you, i confirmed with a different source, that the 20kg given for the normal missile is weight of the warhead, unless they name the dart as warhead (in other places they name the 2nd stage “Cruise stage” so i doubt).

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Well assuming it’s true, there still wouldn’t be enough weight left for the 10kg of fuel gaijin added to the second stage

No weight for that cruise stage in said sources ?

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As of right now i ounly found weight for the whole missile, 72.5 that matches in game value, so does explosive at 5.5kg

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That would be the base variant though not the m

In game, the m one is at 92kg for the whole missile

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yeah, i do not have anything else on the M
Was just confirming if the brochure was talking about warhead of the dart, or dart as a whole.

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Oh that note, i found out that the missile is whoel 2s faster to its max range than it should. I might deal with it later.

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There is currently no point in researching anything that isn’t Russian top tier CAS. Any other top tier CAS option is useless, the moment they have to face Russia with this thing. It does not matter if you’re good or not. I can launch 12 Brimstones at once in intervals and see them all intercepted by ONE Pantsir SM-SV. Like what is the point? Meanwhile the enemy SU-30 can just point and click 6 of the most powerful AGMs in the game and get 6 free kills out of it.

Even if I just want to play air cover, it is night impossible if the enemy SU-30 decides to play with its SM-SV, that thing shoots down AA missiles like its nothing.

It is so bad that I just avoid playing top tier Russia, despite having a line up, because it is BORING. This along side the BMPT is Gaijin at one of their lowest points and I am surprised that they are not getting review bombed to hell for it.

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yeah, I see
It’s literally just teams, in this same game I watched a rafale spawn in and completely ignore a pantsir S1 firing at him.

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All you gotta do is AMMO DUMP ALL YOUR AGMs and pray there’s only 1 SPAA. This thing ate everything up for a small SP cost on SPAA.

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And if he had any thoughts going through his head he’d have popped a 95ya6m at you before engaging the missiles too for the free kill.

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negative, my balls of steel deflect russian propaganda (if you look closely he did but I had my eye mod installed)

balls-of-steel-alok-balls-of-steel

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25Kg should be the weight of the whole second stage according to the document you posted.

It clearly states “Fragmentation-rod kinetic action warhead (fragments + SAM airframe debris)”, indicating that the “warhead” includes the weight of the airframe as well imo, seeing as it is specifying the “warhead” includes “fragments” (preformed) and “SAM airframe debris” (the rest of the second stages material)

Could be wrong, but seeing as the thrust and burn time for the “second stage” are set to 0, I think its gaijins way of “discarding” the spent booster?
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Basically “spends” 10.25kg of weight instantly with no thrust.

Even if we drop the weight of the second stage to 25kg, its ballistic coefficient is still 7688.6, which remains almost 3x better than other top performing missile in-game…

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yeah that’s weird

On Aster-30 Booster + fuel are both disposed off as one when you check the missile sheet, so not too sure what is going on here

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