The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

You know you can just bait him to waste all of his missiles by staying between 7-7.2km right? Then you can just come closer to finish his job easily if you concern about distance that much. Not to mention above 7km ranges Apache has no chance to touch you while Ka-52 at least has some chances.

As for the LWS both platform has that feature as well.

As I’ve said before in 1vs1 scenario Apache requires higher skill ceiling to win the battle.

Good joke, sadly its cheap.

Very niche and spesific scenario where hellfire “might” have advantage.

Wrong, starstreaks doesnt fuze enemy SPAA nor helicopter missiles in Mexican standoff which makes it inferior against other threats, as for stealthy approach both missile does the job just fine.

Not just heli duel but overall package is still better in Ka52.

If you cant accept the facts than its your issue, not mine.

And that doesnt count for the Ka52 firing his vikhrs from 10 km out? Why? If the skill level were talking about is to not fire when out of range then idk…then the entry level here is really really low.

I agree that Ah mk1 requires higher skill ceiling if only bc at such low skill ceiling they will both just hover way above proxy fuze height, the apache has no idea what to do when fired out of his engagement range and just dies while the Ka doesnt even have to manually guide the vikhr in while hovering in third person.

My point being is that with relatively high skill ceiling on both helis the Apache will give the Ka a run for its money and the outcome will likely be 7 out of 10 wins for the apache, as i have witnessed countless times in heli pvp. And the apaches chances will only rise the more terrain it can use

Yeah thats why I spesificially stated multiple times that on average confront Ka-52 will win most of the time

Its a known factor that Apache is less forgiving when it comes to engagin with air units/Spaas but a player who has high skill ceiling can overcome its weakness.

You dont need to fuze enemy spaa missiles when your missile will hit first. And spaa can’t intercept them which is a huge factor in spaa vs heli fight. In general, this statement perfectly shows how much you underestimate starstreaks due to your little experience playing with them.

Ka52 can’t too because the only heli missiles it can reliably fuze is another vikhres.

Yeah if you’re in 6.8-6.9km range, otherwise you simply cannot touch Ka-52 while he can force you to retreat or kill you in worst case, best case scenario he will ignore you.

This just shows rather than underestimating Apache’s capabilities you’re the one who try to make it Ka-52 look like something underpowered.

Actually this is not the only reply where you tried to undersell Ka-52.

Vikhr’s can reliably fuze enemy SPAA missiles but I guess you only nitpick the part where I mentioned A2G/A2A missiles.

Not surprised considering how much you’re trying to undersell Ka-52 by either underestimating its capabilities or completely ignoring its advantages while praising hellfires (which are way less versatile compare to Vikhr’s) and Apache so much.

And spaa can intercept them or just guide the missile in an arc. That won’t work vs starstreak.

No, I try to make ah mk1 look like something very strong on par with ka52 because it was (and still) greatly underestimated by many people because they don’t understand starstreak power.

However, I think that in general before ldircm + fnf, ALL helicopters were greatly overrated, since the average player simply can’t play them effectively.

I know, I said the same:

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they could add SiAW or Mako

It doesn’t matter what AGMs they could or will add. A solo SMSV will intercept everything in seconds.

MALD could fix that

Though I believe the missiles could be nerfed. I have to say playing Russia. There is just too much CAS from other nations. I would rather they just add better spaa for nations equivalent to the performance of the sm-sv.

Even grinding israel currently or when i played japan you are at the mercy of nations with better spaa and if they don’t have it you’re going to have a tough time.

afaik we know nothing. SiAW we have no idea about its targetting, to be fair though kh38mt is much the same but they added it anyways

i dont know about that

Thats rich considering Pantsir’s performs pretty poorly in real life.

Not to mention current SM-SV addition is completely fictional, those hypersonic missiles literally ignore’s the law of physics.

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Oh yeah we can see that one at play everyday (not)

No, you don’t get it.
It’s so effective, no plane, drone, bomb nor anything lives to tell the tale.

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Isn’t it have ARH seeker?

Like the Su-57 - so stealthy the thing is virtually invisible in any skies away from an air show!

Damn - I think I need to get the RAF on the line - those F-35s that keep on going over my house plainly do not have the same stronk abilities…

If it’s using AARGM-ER seeker+electronics, then it should have MMW radar and INS/GPS guidance. I would also expect a IIR seeker as an option too though.