Thats a simple question. Because I want to point out your incompetence. 0.5 kd players shouldnt argue in a balance related topics like this one, because you literally dont know how to play a game.
Based.
This thread isn’t even about the Spike in the first place and my personal K/D doesn’t prevent me from being able to make observations or judge how good or bad a weapon (or vehicle) is.
You can judge a weapon or vehicle without using it yourself.
For balance discussions both the experience of the users and the ones being affected by the weapon or vehicle matter.
Lol, it does.
Definitely. But only if you have enough experience with similar weapon systems or vehicles. For example, I could estimate how broken Kh-38MTs gonna be since a first glance on its statcard on a dev stream. I was right, its literally broke the game.
Great, so I am 100% able to judge the Pantsir (and the FnF ATGMs), as I have more than enough experience with other SAMs (and ATGMs)
What other SAMs do you have, just curious
Stormer HVM, ADATS, Rapier, Sky Sabre
I haven’t used the Sky Sabre much, but you don’t need to play many matches with it at all to be able to tell that it has lots of trouble dealing with helis and is very easy to counter (just like most other current top tier SAMs)
For top tier SAMs in general, having eyes should be enough to be able to tell that the systems are in a bad spot compared to the CAS they have to deal with.
My experience with the ADATS is limited to the time after 4th gen planes and the Kh-38MT became available and I am sure my stats with it reflect that.
The Stormer HVM has been my go-to SAM ever since I unlocked it and well, the Rapier is just a sad story overall.
By using free anti air spawns I’ve also used the 2S6 and OSA, which I suppose you’ll have to take my word for, because free anti air spawns don’t show up in your stats tab
oh nice, I also have the Sky Sabre and I additionally have the Pantsir SM-SV as you know and the NASAMS 3 (Norwegian one)
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Idk if you’ve had the same issue but to off topic real quick. Is it just me or has the Sky Sabre been bad half the time at intercepting munitions because I’ve experienced multiple occasions of the CAMM and CAMM-ER failing to intercept a few LMURs and a few KH-38MTs?
Nothing even remotely close to pantsir XD
Man im literally comming to the forums for ppl like you
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What would be close to the Pantsir?
Oh right, the Pantsir, great point.
I mean, I have the Pantsir SM-SV with a current win rate of 76% and K/D of 6.75 so what is the argument you are making?
Exactly. Its literally unique spaa. You cant judge S1 or SM-SV based on 10km irst saclos spaa in case of adats or excel table in case of sky sabre.
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So what you are saying is that people that don’t own either one of the Pantsirs can’t call it too strong based on actual specs and their experience having to fight it?
All I can say is that I’ve seen some idiots fail to use it somehow because this thing is stupid good at both munition interception and destroying Helis and aircraft
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You could give people the ultimate weapon that requires no skill whatsoever and you would still see some of them fail to use it
That’s just how it is
Ive seen so many more people do well because it’s easy to use and is extremely good at its job. Just sad to see that NATO doesn’t really have anything that’s on this thing’s power when comparing the NATO SACLOS guided stuff.
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While it would still be extremely powerful, Gaijin could have just left out either the TKBs or the 95Ya6M and the thing wouldn’t even have been nearly as problematic as it is right now
NATO has systems that either specialize on just SHORAD (guns and short range SAMs) or on dealing with planes at longer ranges
A Skyranger for example could somewhat compare to the Pantsir, if the Pantsir didn’t have the 95YA6Ms
No, im saying that people like you shouldnt cant call anything too strong or too weak before they get above 1 kd at least. Don’t try to distort my words.
And SM-SV is broken as hell. Its 1700m/s missile should be removed. Regular S1 is already a 12.7 spaa, which for some “unknown” reasons sits at joke of a BR. New pantsir have smokes, mobility, radar and munitions advantage and must be balanced and moved even higher.
My proposal for balancing SM-SV is:
- remove 96ya6m missile completely from the game it has nothing to do with current balance
- move new pantsir to the 13.3 BR in GRB (with overall BR decompression) so it wont face helis without FnF munitions or subsonic attack jets/muliroles with TV munitions such as agm-65B