I don’t know maybe the missile that can go 1700 m/s while being immune to multipath and the sheer amount of ammo you can carry, all while not having to manage 3 vehicles and not being as high as a 3 floor building ?
I mean I find it a bit funny that this thing has more energy than a 450kg Aster past 20 clicks, but maybe that’s just me
What OP CAS does not include KH38s or LMURs exactly ?
Yes, exactly my point, fix the manpads and adjust the BR accordingly. If Strela went up, a fixed Stinger or Mistral should have no issue going up as well.
The famous “internal statistics”
They can saclos + multi target, they can destroy heli with ircm hovering in the skies and multipathing
But they’re the worst 12.7 spaa apparently. Lol
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It’s not the worst SPAA, the players using it are the worst SPAA users
That’s what their statistics show, Gaijin knows that and that’s why they went even further by adding the Pantsir SM-SV
“But Buk radar has a slow refresh rate” tells me everything i need to know about the person bringing up the statement
Did someone actually claim that?
lmao
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Sure, Russia has the best vehicles throughout the types (spaas cas mbts ifvs), but russian players are conveniently the “worst of all”, so we have to give them even more op vehicles
And when we say NATO loose 80% of top tier games against Russia, pro-Russia copers say “no no NATO has the best vehicles, it’s just the players who are trash”
So on 1 hand, russian players are trash so we have to give them more op vehicles even though they have them all already, and on the other hand, NATO players are trash but they already have op vehicles so they can’t have more of them.
Double standard, we can never win with the pro-Russia players
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Unfortunately yes.
I mean if you are even sitting in your radar vehicle instead of spawn camping enemy CAS spawn with your instant refresh PESA equipped launchers, not even a death star can save you
Don’t even get me started on the “but missile is unreliable”
I don’t know if it’s just a SAMP/T issue, but sometimes my missile just won’t even go off with a solid lock, so I guess all multiple vehicle SPAAs are kind of screwed up in their own way
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He’s restating the title of my thread here, not a claim of his own.
If you want the answer to your question, I outline all my claims in the original post that started this thread. Scroll to the top of click the thread title to view it.
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Oh I know, I’m asking if he can actually formulate a point as to why, to reuse your post.
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I was just pointing out that a part of the thread title mentionned russian bias, which made it a bit unclear if ATGMs could still be considered somewhat “on topic”
The OP now clarified his stance on the matter clearly, and i won’t come back on that
Regarding SM-SV, I already answered :
- Fastest missile that does not lose enrgy, beating much heavier counterparts at distances it clearly shouldn’t
- Polyvalent while other AAs have to either be bad against fixed wing or helis (pick your poison)
- Important amount of missiles for a relatively small platform, without 2-3 vehicles to manage all the time.
Most importantly and wether you find it balanced or not, the point is that russia already had 2 decent SPAAs at top tier, which is more than some others could ever dream of, so adding a 3rd that’s even better does in fact raise some eyebrows
A-6E, A-4E, Buccaneer S.2B, Super Etendard, AMX, Jaguar A/GR.1A (Stuff that can easily climb and use precision guided weapons while sitting in anti air blindspot zones)
Also stuff like the Pulkzerstörer, XA-38, Yak-9K to some degree (skill floor and ceiling is a lot higher there tho lol)
Neither of those groups are nearly as problematic as LMURs (FnF helis in general, actually) and Kh-38s, but I’d still call them OP thanks to their BRs and/or anti air limitations
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There are literally Radio guided variants (note; no wire in the image)
So there are options to restore said capability.
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Here so Gajin remembers SM-SV is still BS and needs nerfs
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I’ve had that problem with the Sky Sabre as well, it’s weird
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Radio guided sounds like Gaijin would implement them as MCLOS lol
We already have some Blufor ATGMs with wireless SACLOS guidance, but they don’t have the required stabilization to be fired on the move
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fair enough
Although afaik they at least are somewhat limited in the amount they can carry as far as i’m aware
Not to mention a careful 2S6 player can still intercept the incoming round
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Between two and nine
Jaguar, US A-4E: 2
Bucc S.2B, IAF A-4E : 3
AMX, Etendard: 6
A-6E: 9 (more likely 7 or 5 to carry self-defense equipment lol)
Forgot to mention the F-117, but people seem to overestimate its’ stealth and fly way too low lol
I’m sure the PGZ09 might be able to intercept that stuff as well with AHEAD, but chances are that the anti air will only be aware of the approaching LGBs after it’s already too late
And, well, the A-4Es are 9.3, they are limited to just TV guided bombs, but that’s still a stupildy low BR for something with guided bombs
Please don’t let people know of my Super Etendard.
11.0 is magic for it, literally out ranges every SPAA, has 2 great ATGMs, as well as 2 Nice GBUs which can be dropped at decent range due to how fast nad high it can go.
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It’s Fr*nch, people wouldn’t use it even if they were aware of its true potential
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Yeah but it’ll end up at like 11.7 xD