The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

He’s restating the title of my thread here, not a claim of his own.

If you want the answer to your question, I outline all my claims in the original post that started this thread. Scroll to the top of click the thread title to view it.

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Oh I know, I’m asking if he can actually formulate a point as to why, to reuse your post.

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I was just pointing out that a part of the thread title mentionned russian bias, which made it a bit unclear if ATGMs could still be considered somewhat “on topic”

The OP now clarified his stance on the matter clearly, and i won’t come back on that

Regarding SM-SV, I already answered :

  • Fastest missile that does not lose enrgy, beating much heavier counterparts at distances it clearly shouldn’t
  • Polyvalent while other AAs have to either be bad against fixed wing or helis (pick your poison)
  • Important amount of missiles for a relatively small platform, without 2-3 vehicles to manage all the time.

Most importantly and wether you find it balanced or not, the point is that russia already had 2 decent SPAAs at top tier, which is more than some others could ever dream of, so adding a 3rd that’s even better does in fact raise some eyebrows

A-6E, A-4E, Buccaneer S.2B, Super Etendard, AMX, Jaguar A/GR.1A (Stuff that can easily climb and use precision guided weapons while sitting in anti air blindspot zones)

Also stuff like the Pulkzerstörer, XA-38, Yak-9K to some degree (skill floor and ceiling is a lot higher there tho lol)

Neither of those groups are nearly as problematic as LMURs (FnF helis in general, actually) and Kh-38s, but I’d still call them OP thanks to their BRs and/or anti air limitations

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There are literally Radio guided variants (note; no wire in the image)
TOW-2B AREO(RF)

So there are options to restore said capability.

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Here so Gajin remembers SM-SV is still BS and needs nerfs

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I’ve had that problem with the Sky Sabre as well, it’s weird

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Radio guided sounds like Gaijin would implement them as MCLOS lol

We already have some Blufor ATGMs with wireless SACLOS guidance, but they don’t have the required stabilization to be fired on the move

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fair enough

Although afaik they at least are somewhat limited in the amount they can carry as far as i’m aware

Not to mention a careful 2S6 player can still intercept the incoming round

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Between two and nine

Jaguar, US A-4E: 2
Bucc S.2B, IAF A-4E : 3
AMX, Etendard: 6
A-6E: 9 (more likely 7 or 5 to carry self-defense equipment lol)

Forgot to mention the F-117, but people seem to overestimate its’ stealth and fly way too low lol

I’m sure the PGZ09 might be able to intercept that stuff as well with AHEAD, but chances are that the anti air will only be aware of the approaching LGBs after it’s already too late

And, well, the A-4Es are 9.3, they are limited to just TV guided bombs, but that’s still a stupildy low BR for something with guided bombs

Please don’t let people know of my Super Etendard.
11.0 is magic for it, literally out ranges every SPAA, has 2 great ATGMs, as well as 2 Nice GBUs which can be dropped at decent range due to how fast nad high it can go.

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It’s Fr*nch, people wouldn’t use it even if they were aware of its true potential

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Yeah but it’ll end up at like 11.7 xD

I just realized that they actually added FPV drones and I am afraid of what those would do to top tier GRB while the Pantsir remains the only proper CIWS

I wonder if by then (or ever) multipathing for ground launched ARH (or ARH in general) will be reduced, giving ARH equipped SPAA an edge over the new Pantsir

You gotta suggest them, bc thats different from the one ingame. (If ever bradley and other used it)

When they make the damn goliath trees smaller

You understand that if a vehicle exists IRL, the chances of it getting removed are slim to none. Especially if it’s a high paying premium

As far as I can tell the RF guided TOWs are compatible with the Bradleys.
Apparently the control module is part of the missile container.
Most (if not all) TOW-2s can be converted to RF TOWs.

However, they still might not be fire-on-the-move capable as they are SACLOS, just like the wire-guided ones. (Obviously they won’t be fire-on-the-move capable on the Bradley, if Gaijin keeps that silly deploy/retract mechanic in place lol)

The sight that is used for SACLOS guidance has to be stabilized, otherwise the missile will be uncontrollable while Bradley (or whatever other launch platform) is on the move.

The ZT3A2 for example is beam-riding and should be fire-on-the-move capable, but, according to the devs’ consultant at least, the guidance isn’t stabilized on the Ratel ZT3A2 platform.

The HJ-9 and HOT also are beam-riding, but I don’t know enough about them to be able to say why they aren’t fire-on-the-move capable in-game.

Isn’t the sight used (ISU / IBAS) collocated with the one for the gun? That’s stabilized since it’s also used for the Bushmaster.