lol russia has worse tanks at this BR, but its the most played nation at this BR. Are their players dumb? playing the nation with the worst tanks? Or its because their tanks are not the worst?
pantsir S1 is 12.3-12.7 material (i would say 12.7) and the SV-SM or SM-SV idk is 13.0-13.3
You realize the launchers do not have IFF, which is a problem in GRB when there are friendly planes flying all around,and the way game functions atm,when you turn off radar on the radar vehicle,it doesnt turn on radar on launcher even when manually turned on. It instead turns the radar vehicle radar back on,so the only way to use the launcher radar is to get the radar vehicle destroyed first.
And the missile is crap,you can notch it very easily. You can also multipath it,cause the proxy turns off at multipath altitude.
oh wow, its so hard to point towards a map boarder and set cruise control
it is harder to notch than most other ARH SAMs
and its proxy fuse turns off at less than half multipath height (25m out of 60m) which is coincidentally the same value as almost every other ARH SAM
Guys i think the solution is more OTOMATICs but i might be biased lol.
clearly 12.3 Russia has the worst win rate out of all Russian 10.7 - 12.7 so it NEEDS an SPAA at 12.3 to fill the gap, this is unacceptable.
And no we are going going to fix the overperforming DIRCCM on the mi28nm because we dont want to
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I also wanna point out that it makes no sense that the ADATS sits 0.3 BR below pantsir. Either ADATS is overtiered and should come down to 11.3 or the pantsir needs to go up to 12.3 cuz the pantsir is way better than the ADATS
ADATS win rate never went above 44% for the past year and gaijin looked at it and said “yea Russia needs another top tier SPAA”
yes for some reason the 35mm autocannon can consistently ammo detonate BMPT’s ammo “external” (eat my ass gaijin) belt
I even take my xm246 to top tier to hunt BMPT sometimes when I feel like it, it’s very effective
you can’t point the turret of your TEL while the main radar still exists ? I seriously doubt that, but even if that’s the case, just J out the main radar after spawning your 2 TELS i guess
It’s the hardest to notch (just go check the missile sheets)
For the rest, welcome to the club i guess ? That’s every other nations best AA. Now i suppose you start understanding where the russian bias allegation come from
HQ-11 + Spyder were both worse than Buk, but they did not receive a new AA in the tree to fix the problem immediately
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Actually I believe HQ11 is better than BUK itself but remaining points still stands.
Good to know that Germany has the worst Vehicles…guess VT4 really is equal to an 2A7V
Because ITO90M is better than most other 12.0 SPAAs
so… How is that even a question? YOu`re in an uptier so you suffer. If you suffer less against germans or brits, ask why they are so weak, not why USSR strong. Especially in counter-CAS measures. My god them pilots really want to get free kills anyhow anywhere any br without consequenses.
that does not answer his question
Ito and Pantsir don’t have the same capabilities, therefore they shouldn’t be sitting at the same br, simple as
At 12.0 they are the only 2 spaa as well afaik
It sure does. It brings out his issue which is he fails to see how ITO is one of them BEST not-fnf SPAAs (probably second best after Pantsir) so its natural it stands near BEST 12.0 SPAA. It doesnt seem fair standing near TOR or FlaRakRad which are 11.7s so its 12.0.
Now, “further” SPAAs are FNF users so naturally higher…
there are also Tan-Sam and chinese csaba (i dont remember how it called) which both are, as i know, worse than ITO90.
Yeah so maybe pantsir shouldn’t be sitting at 12.0 ?
Then it comes down to decompression i guess
Chinese one has access F&F IIR missiles, 30MM gun for close range engagements and has AHEAD munitions for heli rush, ıts far better than ITO-90M. Not to mention chassis itself much more mobile thus allows you to change positions quickly.
HQ17 is also quite similiar to ITO-90M, both has same range and similar G capabilities.
Why if its much worse than 12.3 and 12.7 SPAAs?
Tho the chinese FNF IR missiles are low range ones, innit?
as far as i know they have range issues like the earl ROLAND missiles. Tho i dont see that SPAA used much so im not sure. ITO on the other hand is good both with close and far enemies, plus its rocket is highly maneuverable.
Cant tell you anything on that, sorry
Upgraded version has access to 20km range, dont think thats the case.
Its quite infective against targets that is in 1-3km which CS/5 shines with 30mm AHEAD.
It retains is high manevurability up to 7km, beyond that its very easy to dodge them (even in 7km you can simply out maneuver them with agile platform), CS/5 missiles on the other hand requires more effort to dodge.
Its quite undervalued SPAA system that oftens completely neglected by the players but in truth its hidden gem.
I’m using with my 11.7 line-up and works perfectly fine and ever since gaijin increased JH-7A br to 12.0 I’m using with CS/5 and still performs decently well.
Yeah so compression, unless you are going to argue a 18km - 12km effective range missile is the same as a 12km - 8km effective range one without guns ?