I somewhat share Gaijins stance, just not as extreme. If the Rafale is already dominant it’s not smart to buff it even further.
Unless you just want to go back to the ways of old, where repair costs were used to balance statistics. This would mean buffing the MICA and slapping a 30-50k repair cost on it, but I’m not sure if that is the preferable way.
Great but the response is still waffling. It’s not clear or concrete. Would you support having fixed MICA EM if Typhoon gets the C5? What if statistics still show Rafale dominating when Typhoon gets C5? What if statistics still show Rafale dominating if F-15Es get AIM-120D. Please don’t evade the questions and give non-answers. At what point in these scenarios do we overrule statistics?
If the other planes get buffs and the gap in stats still remains as large as it is? No I wouldn’t support.
If the other planes get buffs and the gap in stats narrows? Sure I’d fully support the buffs.
Okay, I appreciate your honesty. Your stance is a rare one which is statistics above all else.
Oh ok so what you’re saying is the Rafale isn’t overperforming (it 100% is and everyone knows it), it’s missile being good at HOB is what makes it perform so well.
Then you don’t need the range buff. It was never about the range buff.
We both know that’s not true. The radar, flightmodel, and ARH missile count are massive differences.
When the powercreep subsides and it faces planes that have similar capabiliies. This is not a new concept.
You can’t keep making this argument over and over again when France 14.0 has the highest winrate of any BR.
Right, it’s easy to say things that sounds good until more questions are asked. What does similar capabilities mean in this instance? Is Typhoon getting AIM-120C “similar capabilities”? What does it look like to you?
To be honest with you I think this would be the case, if the C-5 gets added with the seeker it has now it will still be easy enough to notch at the start of the match or in longer ranges in general. So my point is, for the current meta, the C-5 will at best annoy you for making you hit defensive maneuvers a bit earlier, then guess what, furball, where rafale would still shine like it is doing now.
When I say “similar capabilities,” I’m talking about aircraft that can match the Rafale in key performance areas like radar, missiles, agility, and survivability. An example would be something like the EFT with the ASRAAM or an F-16V with the C5. The problem is the Eurofighter is not only missing that, but also not missing radar functionality. So when the Typhoon loses it’s BVR chances, the Rafale can just keep all it’s speed and dominate within 20km. That’s not just theory. It’s how matches have always played out when you deny an overpowered vehicle a counter when newer top tiers are added. Same thing happened with the Gripen and F-14A. But now, this is on a whole difference scale, as we’ve gone from bomber missiles → Aim-9M and INF flares → Complete and utter dominance in every conceivable characteristic.
Okay yes, but can you continue down this train of thought? If you predict that the Rafale will still be dominating when Typhoon gets C5, then would this mean your personal belief is that the MICA EM shouldn’t be fully fixed until AIM-120D is added?
So in this case you believe it may be needed for a Eurofighter with IIR missile such as ASRAAM to be added before the MICA EM can be fully fixed?
So because French players have skill, they need to be punished?
Yes
I support the fix, if it means the missile becomes more realistic and it is a direct counterpart to what’s getting added. Even if it ends up still being better than the 120 C-5 carriers.
French players do not have skill for performing in the Rafale. The Rafale is the most hand held plane in the game. Let’s not act dumb here.
Yes, because that’s similar capability. But as you chose to leave out, the Typhoon also needs to radar fixed to correctly simulate it’s BVR advantage. It doesn’t even need the C-5.
Sorry Mikey that your “America Number 1” planes are trash. Figures, since the US forces their equipment on other people, while people willingly buy French all over the world. Fact is, French planes are better, they even beat the F-22.
I appreciate your response. Even if the radar gets fixed and AIM-120C-5 is added to the Typhoon, your belief to my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, is that Typhoon also needs ASRAAM to be on the same level of Rafale with fixed MICA EM.
Just need @MythicPi to also give out his takes as well.
We will most likely end up with mica ir, iris-t, asraam, aim9x and stuff by december at this rate, the new spaa seems a good way to test those missiles.