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Please let’s cut the Typhoon vs Rafale shenanigans. Try to have a respectful conversation.
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You mean R-73 since R-77 isn’t TVC.
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Exactly, though the C5 will finally solve the ever lasting overload and AOA issues the base 120A/B have since the balance patch post Seek and Destroy.
A glass half full perspective if you ask me :P
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thats assuming they dont nerf the C5 before launch, which id not be surprised if they made it even worse than the 120A for close range despite being better IRL
wow that’s WILD. That is a decent buff in my books, not precisely the one asked for, but still.
If this stays as a feature, then there’s more arguments to the C5 coming to EFs. We’ll have to read tomorrow’s changenotes (if any), or start to actively ask for them on other platforms if its not the case.
Mica might be underperforming, but currently it doesn’t need any buff since its still the best fox3 even with the r77-1 and aim120c5 being added.
Unless the c5 gets buffed (it should), right now its just an upgrade in agility over the 120a/b at the cost of speed. The aim120a is faster due to lower weight and has lower drag too.
We’ll see how it goes. Most other fox3s deserve buffs, but micas are in a very good place right now, best agility by far and the fastest at short to medium ranges.
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The biggest problem with such discussions is that they can attract attention and break what works very well. And instead of improvements, we end up with deprivations. =)
The AIM-120C-5’s model hasn’t been updated for several updates (likely since last year). The live model should be vastly different to the current dev model.
If it does get updated and performs greater than the AIM-120A/B, the other missiles such as PL-12 and AAM-4 should have their FM buffed to reflect their more realistic performance since those missiles apparently should have the capability closer to that of the ~AIM-120C-5.
The MICA (if we’re talking about modelling it more realistically) should also have a bit more kinematic performance but whether they’ll buff it to reflect that or not, we’ll have to see.
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The issue is that to some degree that Balance changes and bug reports apear to be motivated by player stats, it’s likely that Gaijin were running out of options to avoid dropping the US F15 / F/A-18s’ down to 13.7 due to sub-par performance, or straight up jumping to the F-22A (It’s not that good at relevant ranges due to the use of the internal bay constraining magazine depth and lack of HMD).
And so the -120-C5 was added in place of decreasing the BR, which would cause other issues, since it’s not like they do that badly in a full down-tier. The issue is to some degree that the Teen series have obviously exploitable weaknesses when facing off against Euro-Doritos. And Gaijin tend not to wholesale replace avionics or substitute variants for one another so are fairly locked in in various respects.
So the US having later ordnance as their point of difference is not surprising, since they are otherwise worse off for the most part since date of introduction, economies of scale, and doctrine don’t have any impact in War Thunder.
Though I do think a basic AIM-9X (a “fancy” AIM-9M / -9R with TVC) would have been the better choice assuming that the -120C-5 is modeled faithfully with the decreased CoG vastly improving Short range performance.
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MICA and Rafale dont need any buff now. Its the most over power jet in 14.0 br and have 66% win rate. In every math that have rafale, the top score player aways been Rafale everytime and got 5-6 kill. That why its dont need any buff.
And dont blame its was “American player are bad or stupid”. What do you think that plane got a 4 kill in the biginning of the match eveytime, even SU30 or EURO aways get killed in the beginning of the match by MICA not AMRAAM. If the C-5 at to EURO it would be a good option.
you know the OP already said he also supporting the other buff right?
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Guys I think we just need to add the J-10C with PL-15E to the game to fix all the problems. Rafale gets hard countered → MICA gets buffed (optional) → everyone is happy
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He’s just supporting the status quo because it favours him to do so.
He’s literally stated that he supports other nations getting buffed specifically so that france can be more justified in getting more buffs.
Arguably, things would be even more so in Rafales favour as it would stomp even harder against everything that doesnt have the 120C-5s.
The introduction of the 120C-5 is unlikely to put much of a dent in its performance seeing as its still so easy to defeat ARH missiles and force a merge, along with the fact the MICA has just been buffed to make it even easier for the Rafale to fire them HOBS to remain threatening while near/in the notch in a way no other jet can match.
As it currently stands, Rafale could get shunted up to 14.7 or even 15.0 alone just fine without any buffs, its just that good. It should never be allowed to fly against anything below 13.7. It wouldnt be the first time gaijins punted an overperforming plane to a new BR ceiling to try to curb its overperformance.
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So when do you think MICA EM’s range being fixed is justified if AIM-120C-5 isn’t enough? Only when the latest variant AIM-120D is added?
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When the Rafale stops massively overperforming vs all other jets it faces? Pretty sure thats been pretty clear this whole time? It literally has no competitors, no plane is even close atm in-game and you’re fishing for more buffs, as usual.
You cant even be bothered to wait and see if the new missile might actually close the gap to any reasonable degree between the Rafale and every other 14.0 before you start pretending that the Rafale “needs” another buff to stay competitive.
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Is it the plane that is over performing ?
Or just that the META allows for planes with better HOB missiles to perform better ?
Because let’s face it, aside from the radar, the EFT is basically on par with the rafale in all other metrics, or the differences aren’t enough that it would make the rafale massively overperform.
And in ARB, playing the rafale, most of the time my missiles will be fired using the HMD, not the radar in itself.
So the main difference between those 2 aircrafts lie in their loadout, that is, the MICA with a significantly shorter range but excellent high offbore capabilities than its competitor.
And this won’t change. Because the Aim120, the meteor and basically every other FOX 3, aren’t design with this philosophy.
Yes at some point we’ll get ASRAAM and IRIS-T (and MICA IR), but those are all shorter range than the MICA (EM and IR), so the rafale will still have the advantage in the ranges the MICA is that dangerous.
So, you are just saying you’ll keep coping because the rafale has a loadout that fits the META playstyle perfectly. Fair enough, but that won’t get you anywhere, and it’s getting so old it might be time to burry it.
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