It’s overperforming in the sense that it’s statistically doing much better than the other 14.0 planes.
This argument also sabotages your request for a MICA buff though, because if the Rafale and it’s loadout fit the meta so perfectly, then there is no need to further buff it for the time being.
And Smin basically just denied MICA EM buffs and Aim-120C5s for the Typhoon because of player stats. (Though I wonder how many F-15Es just J’ed out or died trying to bomb which screwed the data, they do it all the time in SB)
Take a look at the ground kills per game played for each of the top tiers, fact is F-15E blows past the rest of the top tiers in terms of this ratio. F-15Es are focusing on ground pounding and thus serve themselves up as easy meals.
You still haven’t answered my question. When should the MICA EM get its reports actioned on, when Typhoon gets AIM-120C? When AIM-120D is added? When exactly? Easy to say “when it stops overperforming” but you don’t give any concrete answers.
When it’s statistically in line with the top tier jets from other nations. Which it clearly isn’t.
How dare Rafale players be good! They should be as bad as American mains!
To be clear here, your stance is that even if F-15E and F-18C gets AIM-120D, then the Rafale can’t get fixed MICA if it still is performing better statistically. That’s what that stance indicates.
It’s Gaijin’s stance, has been for years. The whole AIM-120C-5 situation shows this again.
No matter how much the French mains cope, there just aren’t enough of them to change that.
Then you’re not reading it properly, I specifically asked for personal stances, not what Gaijin’s stance is.
I somewhat share Gaijins stance, just not as extreme. If the Rafale is already dominant it’s not smart to buff it even further.
Unless you just want to go back to the ways of old, where repair costs were used to balance statistics. This would mean buffing the MICA and slapping a 30-50k repair cost on it, but I’m not sure if that is the preferable way.
Great but the response is still waffling. It’s not clear or concrete. Would you support having fixed MICA EM if Typhoon gets the C5? What if statistics still show Rafale dominating when Typhoon gets C5? What if statistics still show Rafale dominating if F-15Es get AIM-120D. Please don’t evade the questions and give non-answers. At what point in these scenarios do we overrule statistics?
If the other planes get buffs and the gap in stats still remains as large as it is? No I wouldn’t support.
If the other planes get buffs and the gap in stats narrows? Sure I’d fully support the buffs.
Okay, I appreciate your honesty. Your stance is a rare one which is statistics above all else.
Oh ok so what you’re saying is the Rafale isn’t overperforming (it 100% is and everyone knows it), it’s missile being good at HOB is what makes it perform so well.
Then you don’t need the range buff. It was never about the range buff.
We both know that’s not true. The radar, flightmodel, and ARH missile count are massive differences.
When the powercreep subsides and it faces planes that have similar capabiliies. This is not a new concept.
You can’t keep making this argument over and over again when France 14.0 has the highest winrate of any BR.
Right, it’s easy to say things that sounds good until more questions are asked. What does similar capabilities mean in this instance? Is Typhoon getting AIM-120C “similar capabilities”? What does it look like to you?
To be honest with you I think this would be the case, if the C-5 gets added with the seeker it has now it will still be easy enough to notch at the start of the match or in longer ranges in general. So my point is, for the current meta, the C-5 will at best annoy you for making you hit defensive maneuvers a bit earlier, then guess what, furball, where rafale would still shine like it is doing now.
When I say “similar capabilities,” I’m talking about aircraft that can match the Rafale in key performance areas like radar, missiles, agility, and survivability. An example would be something like the EFT with the ASRAAM or an F-16V with the C5. The problem is the Eurofighter is not only missing that, but also not missing radar functionality. So when the Typhoon loses it’s BVR chances, the Rafale can just keep all it’s speed and dominate within 20km. That’s not just theory. It’s how matches have always played out when you deny an overpowered vehicle a counter when newer top tiers are added. Same thing happened with the Gripen and F-14A. But now, this is on a whole difference scale, as we’ve gone from bomber missiles → Aim-9M and INF flares → Complete and utter dominance in every conceivable characteristic.
Okay yes, but can you continue down this train of thought? If you predict that the Rafale will still be dominating when Typhoon gets C5, then would this mean your personal belief is that the MICA EM shouldn’t be fully fixed until AIM-120D is added?