The maus

[Pecanin]

Nobody has insulted you

You chose to interpret our posts that point that you are wrong as insults

That is your personal interpretation since as i said your ego cannot accept that you are wrong ,like on most things.

[AlvisWisla]

I get Russians hate me cause I defend NATO all the time, and provide evidence, while posting popular English-speaking takes most of the time… but this is ridiculous.
People wanting to cut me down cause I defend Germany? lol

Your posts derailing the topic just cause my posts defend the Maus…

“Heavy tank’s should be hard to kill frontally, to encourage people to flank and do things other than blindly rush forward.” Oh look, one of my takes.

[Ion_Protogen]

Your screenshot was barely angled.

@Heavytanker1945

Dumbass.

And that should invalidate the conversation.

[ULQ_LOVER]

Should I post Your comments filled with hatred and no reason from this and old forum?

Or are we finally going to act like grown ups who don’t talk based on feelings

[AlvisWisla]

Hatred of anyone ruins your credibility.
ULQ_LOVER? I disagree with him on a dozen or so things; but he is a good person regardless.

[GoneToTheAether]

@ULQ_LOVER

Should I post Your comments filled with hatred and no reason from this and old forum?

I never have liked you as a person, ULQ. But even then, I have never gone so far as to stalk those I disagree with, much less cherry-pick their past posts just to win an ultimately meaningless internet argument.

[ULQ_LOVER]

Lmao.

No one has to stalk anyone to see Your comments in this and old forum.

[KillaKiwi]

@Heavytanker1945

@Heavytanker1945

Bruh i legit just showed a screen shot of it penning a ANGLED turret.

Ah yes. The paper Maus. Easily penetratable by shooting it under the perfect condition in the weakest part of the armor.

Spoiler

Look at this damage:

Spoiler: Massive damage ahead

[SanguineSerpent]

All the tanks you just stated can be OHK’d easily by maus too.
Maus armour is very good against conventional shells (other than HE), while modern shells like HEATFS / APDS will not 1-shot kill it unless you hit the ammo (which are stored on the sides of the maus).
It’s fine at 7.7, as it shouldn’t go any lower and face stuff that can’t even pen it anywhere (like 76 jumbo), and it shouldn’t go any higher (Object 279 exists at 9.0, for example).

[Pecanin]

I was responding to bullshit claims that Maus is too OP and cant be penned by tanks facing it .

BTW it can be penned FRONTALLY by all tanks i listed ,no need for side shots.

[AverageWehraboo]

When angling the turret slightly it can’t be killed by: M26, T26E5, T26E1-1, T34, T29, T95, M6A2E1, T32, T32E1, T-44, T-44-100, T-54 (1947), Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, Tortoise, Ho-Ri Prototype, Ho-Ri Production, AMX-50 Surbaisse, AMX-50 Foch, AMX-13, AMX M4, Char-25t, Sw Tiger 2

Obviously all autocannon and most <6.7 tanks aswell.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@AverageWehraboo

When angling the turret slightly it can’t be killed by:

So at the moment You shouldn’t be shooting at it?

[AverageWehraboo]

@GoneToTheAether

It would be up to each player what they deem most important - ability to split-second react to a sudden encounter or being able to see someone who has not yet seen you and load the appropriate shell for them to one-tap them no questions asked.

By the time you do load the right ammo the target is most likely either dead or changed position. If you played anything other than planes you’d know how these tanks depend on their gun to work but you obviously don’t use them so you have no idea what you’re talking about.

@GoneToTheAether

Therefore, the gun should get M61 APHE as a module.

Furthermore, I’d also give it T45 HVAP (same with the Cromwell V, its premium version, and the Excelsior).

This is a good idea.

@GoneToTheAether

Further still, I would remove the ability to damage barrels of tanks pointed in their direction completely.

If the muzzle brake wasn’t a part of the guns damage model it would be completely fine.

@GoneToTheAether

In its current state, the thing is maybe 4.0 material - the gun is that pathetic.

Kinda true.

@GoneToTheAether

Even further, I would globally rebuff all APCR postpen damage, and restoratively buff all APCR penetration values.

@GoneToTheAether

(APHE, optional 187mm pen HVAP that actually spalls well like AP, no barrel BS).

Not a good idea.

@GoneToTheAether

That “artificial survivability” is entirely due to overkill neutering of various munitions

The Maus would still be the most survivable tank in the game even with all those munitions buffed.

@GoneToTheAether

usually to service the complaints of Russian tank mains in the same BR range

No.

@GoneToTheAether

APCR, early APDS, HEAT, HEATFS, HESH, and big HE all have seen various overkill nerfs. Most of which have not been reverted despite the reason(s) for implementing said nerfs no longer being relevant.

@GoneToTheAether

I would undo the old boneheaded nerfs to those ammo types, thereby removing the “fake survivability” from many heavy tanks across the board, including but not limited to the Maus/E-100. Then they’d plummet in BR to levels where their armor actually matters, while the egregious postwar crap would soar upwards due to HEATFS actually spalling well (all the 90mm-106mm tin cans).

While I’d like to see those ammo types buffed and moved up I don’t think it will ever happen.

@GoneToTheAether

For example, 17-pdr APDS currently pens historically correct levels, but the postpen is so godawful nobody in their right mind would use it. Even though that round can frontally pen an unangled Maus turret from considerable distance, and the side from much further. A similar story exists for even US 76mm M93 APCR, though at closer ranges. US 90mm APCR would do the job at much further ranges than 17-pdr sabot. Nevermind anything stronger than those three rounds…

APCR shouldn’t be the main round to use but the way it performs now is pathetic. US 90mm pretty much only acts as a way to kill the Maus, Ferdinand, Ho-Ri Prod and IS-4M. It literally has 0 other uses apart from shooting those 4 tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

But in all cases, if something can frontally pen them, they should die easily.

This would just be a massive buff to all artillery tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

Armor would become more binary, either it works and blocks rounds or it doesn’t and you die.

@GoneToTheAether

In other words, hard to pen, but easy to kill if you have something that can frontally pen.

A tank destroyer meta wouldn’t be fun either.

@GoneToTheAether

Sitting there with a broken barrel/breech repairing for 5min of misery would no longer be a thing.

I have to disagree on that one. Having a group of idiots shoot you for an eternity can be very funny and can even result in a nuke.

Spoiler

@GoneToTheAether

The Maus currently faces all the HEAT-slinging cars which can negate its armor at virtually any range. That makes the thing not great

The survability is insane regardless of how much they pen.

@GoneToTheAether

unless 1) you run into something without HEATFS 2) they don’t shoot your barrel tip 3)

HEAT tanks are undertiered and all heavies are affected.

@GoneToTheAether

3. they don’t run circles around you at point-blank range

This is a Maus problem but it would still happen even if the HEAT tanks were gone.

@GoneToTheAether

4. your gun can actually pen the thing you run into.

The 128mm can pen almost anything it faces. It’s a much bigger problem for the 122mm/90mm armed tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

Many of the machines which fall under point 4) also suffer from the over-proliferation of HEATFS (T32s, IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, etc). Sure some can be frontally killed by the 128, but it is anything but easy, and we all know how Magikbounce works…

The Maus is immune to the 122mm frontally while being able to kill any IS tank. You can kill the T32/T32E1 with the 88/128mm by shooting through the turret. On top of the 128mm you get a 75mm to disable barrels. Up close the 75mm can even kill the T32.

@GoneToTheAether

No it has definitely not been. I’m talking the power it had right when the mechanic was introduced, when a 6" arty could aim in a machine’s general direction without needing to “hope to hit the roof and not get volumetric’d into nothingness” and delete something.

Sounds like a terrible mechanic that has rightfully been nerfed a decade ago.

[AverageWehraboo]

@GoneToTheAether

A nerf is a nerf, and it wasn’t welcome, nor needed.

A nerf that isn’t even noticable.

@GoneToTheAether

CAS is badly misunderstood. Adding a separate mode lacking it is not the answer. And nerfing its weaponry to try and placate people whining about it definitely isn’t the answer.

You do realize adding a seperate mode would stop the CAS whiners from further nerfing bombs?

@GoneToTheAether

They lost the right to “freedom of choice”

Commie opinion.

@GoneToTheAether

when the weapon nerfs they asked for also proceeded to help slaughter all relevance those same attackers and bombers had in Air RB and Air Sim modes. The nerfs were blanket-applied to all game modes, and I blame the people whose whining brought them about for provoking the snail to do them in the first place. Always will.

They would’ve never asked for these changes if they had their own mode.

@GoneToTheAether

Their whining took away my freedom of choice when I wasn’t even playing with player tanks at all. How is that fair?

You can still play CAS RB. They can’t chose not to. Your freedom isn’t affected you want to force people to play on your terms.

[AverageWehraboo]

The Maus can sit there indefinitely and wait for an opportunity to shoot you. Even when not angling some of them still can’t pen the Maus.

[ULQ_LOVER]

And You can destroy his barrel in this time

[AverageWehraboo]

The 128 doesn’t have a muzzle brake and sometimes just refuses to take damage and you have to disable the 75 too.

[ULQ_LOVER]

75 won’t do You much and if he wants to use it, he needs to aim at You

[AverageWehraboo]

As soon as you take out the 128 the 75 will destroy your barrel and track you while the Maus repairs the 128.

[ULQ_LOVER]

You know he needs to aim at Your barrel first?

Sorry but the turret speed is not that much to not be able to avoid it