The maus

[AverageWehraboo]

When angling the turret slightly it can’t be killed by: M26, T26E5, T26E1-1, T34, T29, T95, M6A2E1, T32, T32E1, T-44, T-44-100, T-54 (1947), Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, Tortoise, Ho-Ri Prototype, Ho-Ri Production, AMX-50 Surbaisse, AMX-50 Foch, AMX-13, AMX M4, Char-25t, Sw Tiger 2

Obviously all autocannon and most <6.7 tanks aswell.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@AverageWehraboo

When angling the turret slightly it can’t be killed by:

So at the moment You shouldn’t be shooting at it?

[AverageWehraboo]

@GoneToTheAether

It would be up to each player what they deem most important - ability to split-second react to a sudden encounter or being able to see someone who has not yet seen you and load the appropriate shell for them to one-tap them no questions asked.

By the time you do load the right ammo the target is most likely either dead or changed position. If you played anything other than planes you’d know how these tanks depend on their gun to work but you obviously don’t use them so you have no idea what you’re talking about.

@GoneToTheAether

Therefore, the gun should get M61 APHE as a module.

Furthermore, I’d also give it T45 HVAP (same with the Cromwell V, its premium version, and the Excelsior).

This is a good idea.

@GoneToTheAether

Further still, I would remove the ability to damage barrels of tanks pointed in their direction completely.

If the muzzle brake wasn’t a part of the guns damage model it would be completely fine.

@GoneToTheAether

In its current state, the thing is maybe 4.0 material - the gun is that pathetic.

Kinda true.

@GoneToTheAether

Even further, I would globally rebuff all APCR postpen damage, and restoratively buff all APCR penetration values.

@GoneToTheAether

(APHE, optional 187mm pen HVAP that actually spalls well like AP, no barrel BS).

Not a good idea.

@GoneToTheAether

That “artificial survivability” is entirely due to overkill neutering of various munitions

The Maus would still be the most survivable tank in the game even with all those munitions buffed.

@GoneToTheAether

usually to service the complaints of Russian tank mains in the same BR range

No.

@GoneToTheAether

APCR, early APDS, HEAT, HEATFS, HESH, and big HE all have seen various overkill nerfs. Most of which have not been reverted despite the reason(s) for implementing said nerfs no longer being relevant.

@GoneToTheAether

I would undo the old boneheaded nerfs to those ammo types, thereby removing the “fake survivability” from many heavy tanks across the board, including but not limited to the Maus/E-100. Then they’d plummet in BR to levels where their armor actually matters, while the egregious postwar crap would soar upwards due to HEATFS actually spalling well (all the 90mm-106mm tin cans).

While I’d like to see those ammo types buffed and moved up I don’t think it will ever happen.

@GoneToTheAether

For example, 17-pdr APDS currently pens historically correct levels, but the postpen is so godawful nobody in their right mind would use it. Even though that round can frontally pen an unangled Maus turret from considerable distance, and the side from much further. A similar story exists for even US 76mm M93 APCR, though at closer ranges. US 90mm APCR would do the job at much further ranges than 17-pdr sabot. Nevermind anything stronger than those three rounds…

APCR shouldn’t be the main round to use but the way it performs now is pathetic. US 90mm pretty much only acts as a way to kill the Maus, Ferdinand, Ho-Ri Prod and IS-4M. It literally has 0 other uses apart from shooting those 4 tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

But in all cases, if something can frontally pen them, they should die easily.

This would just be a massive buff to all artillery tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

Armor would become more binary, either it works and blocks rounds or it doesn’t and you die.

@GoneToTheAether

In other words, hard to pen, but easy to kill if you have something that can frontally pen.

A tank destroyer meta wouldn’t be fun either.

@GoneToTheAether

Sitting there with a broken barrel/breech repairing for 5min of misery would no longer be a thing.

I have to disagree on that one. Having a group of idiots shoot you for an eternity can be very funny and can even result in a nuke.

Spoiler

@GoneToTheAether

The Maus currently faces all the HEAT-slinging cars which can negate its armor at virtually any range. That makes the thing not great

The survability is insane regardless of how much they pen.

@GoneToTheAether

unless 1) you run into something without HEATFS 2) they don’t shoot your barrel tip 3)

HEAT tanks are undertiered and all heavies are affected.

@GoneToTheAether

3. they don’t run circles around you at point-blank range

This is a Maus problem but it would still happen even if the HEAT tanks were gone.

@GoneToTheAether

4. your gun can actually pen the thing you run into.

The 128mm can pen almost anything it faces. It’s a much bigger problem for the 122mm/90mm armed tanks.

@GoneToTheAether

Many of the machines which fall under point 4) also suffer from the over-proliferation of HEATFS (T32s, IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, etc). Sure some can be frontally killed by the 128, but it is anything but easy, and we all know how Magikbounce works…

The Maus is immune to the 122mm frontally while being able to kill any IS tank. You can kill the T32/T32E1 with the 88/128mm by shooting through the turret. On top of the 128mm you get a 75mm to disable barrels. Up close the 75mm can even kill the T32.

@GoneToTheAether

No it has definitely not been. I’m talking the power it had right when the mechanic was introduced, when a 6" arty could aim in a machine’s general direction without needing to “hope to hit the roof and not get volumetric’d into nothingness” and delete something.

Sounds like a terrible mechanic that has rightfully been nerfed a decade ago.

[AverageWehraboo]

@GoneToTheAether

A nerf is a nerf, and it wasn’t welcome, nor needed.

A nerf that isn’t even noticable.

@GoneToTheAether

CAS is badly misunderstood. Adding a separate mode lacking it is not the answer. And nerfing its weaponry to try and placate people whining about it definitely isn’t the answer.

You do realize adding a seperate mode would stop the CAS whiners from further nerfing bombs?

@GoneToTheAether

They lost the right to “freedom of choice”

Commie opinion.

@GoneToTheAether

when the weapon nerfs they asked for also proceeded to help slaughter all relevance those same attackers and bombers had in Air RB and Air Sim modes. The nerfs were blanket-applied to all game modes, and I blame the people whose whining brought them about for provoking the snail to do them in the first place. Always will.

They would’ve never asked for these changes if they had their own mode.

@GoneToTheAether

Their whining took away my freedom of choice when I wasn’t even playing with player tanks at all. How is that fair?

You can still play CAS RB. They can’t chose not to. Your freedom isn’t affected you want to force people to play on your terms.

[AverageWehraboo]

The Maus can sit there indefinitely and wait for an opportunity to shoot you. Even when not angling some of them still can’t pen the Maus.

[ULQ_LOVER]

And You can destroy his barrel in this time

[AverageWehraboo]

The 128 doesn’t have a muzzle brake and sometimes just refuses to take damage and you have to disable the 75 too.

[ULQ_LOVER]

75 won’t do You much and if he wants to use it, he needs to aim at You

[AverageWehraboo]

As soon as you take out the 128 the 75 will destroy your barrel and track you while the Maus repairs the 128.

[ULQ_LOVER]

You know he needs to aim at Your barrel first?

Sorry but the turret speed is not that much to not be able to avoid it

[AverageWehraboo]

It’s more than fast enough to easily destroy barrels on other heavies and TDs.

[ULQ_LOVER]

It really isn’t.

Especially if You don’t just stay in place and look at him while waiting to be shot.

Again, most of the vechicles You have listed can easily deal with Maus frontally.

Only amx-13 might have a problem, same with T44. Not to mention that they are -1 B.R. lower so they should have a problem with it

[AverageWehraboo]

@ULQ_LOVER

It really isn’t.

Especially if You don’t just stay in place and look at him while waiting to be shot.

The Maus can track&barrel while the enemy is still reloading. This works on all but a few fast reloading ones.

@ULQ_LOVER

Again, most of the vechicles You have listed can easily deal with Maus frontally.

APCR at a perfect angle with a reload of 15s does not mean they can deal with a Maus easily.

@ULQ_LOVER

Only amx-13 might have a problem, same with T44. Not to mention that they are -1 B.R. lower so they should have a problem with it

M26, T26E1-1, M6A2E1, Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), Tortoise, Ho-Ri Prototype, AMX-13, AMX-M4, Char25t can get killed by the Maus without aiming for weakspots.

T-44, T-44-100, T-54 (1947), Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, Ho-Ri Prototype, Ho-Ri Production, AMX-13, Char25t can do NOTHING to the Maus frontally.

[Pecanin]

Once again for those in back of the class that weren’t listening first time

All of these can destroy Maus frontally ,some even when angling

There are others that go all the way from 6.0 to 7.7 that can do same

RU -IS 6/T 10/T 55 can all OHK Maus
USA -T34/T54/T114/M48/M103 can all lol pen Maus
GB -Conqueror/Centurion mk5 can lol pen Maus
CHN -ZTS/ZBD/M48 laugh at Maus
ITA -M47 ROFLs when it sees Maus
FRA - all French from 7.0 to 8.0 lol pen Maus
SWE- all 7.7 tanks can lol pen Maus
ISR - all 7.7 tanks can lol pen Maus

[ULQ_LOVER]

@AverageWehraboo

The Maus can track&barrel while the enemy is still reloading. This works on all but a few fast reloading ones.

This works on vechicles that stay still without moving

@AverageWehraboo

APCR at a perfect angle with a reload of 15s does not mean they can deal with a Maus easily.

Of course it does

@AverageWehraboo

T-44, T-44-100, T-54 (1947), Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, Ho-Ri Prototype, Ho-Ri Production

What are You talking about at the moment? When I’ll get into the game I will post screanshoots

[AverageWehraboo]

@ULQ_LOVER

This works on vechicles that stay still without moving

If only it had a secondary weapon to track them.

@ULQ_LOVER

Of course it does

[ULQ_LOVER]

@AverageWehraboo

If only it had a secondary weapon to track them.

ULQ_LOVER:

So we are taking about situation when it is looking at You or not?

When it comes to the clip - skill issue

[AverageWehraboo]

@Pecanin

All of these can destroy Maus frontally ,some even when angling

No they can’t you fucking liar.

@Pecanin

RU -IS 6/T 10/T 55 can all OHK Maus

Only from the side.

@Pecanin

USA -T34/T54/T114/M48/M103 can all lol pen Maus
GB -Conqueror/Centurion mk5 can lol pen Maus
CHN -ZTS/ZBD/M48 laugh at Maus
ITA -M47 ROFLs when it sees Maus
FRA - all French from 7.0 to 8.0 lol pen Maus
SWE- all 7.7 tanks can lol pen Maus
ISR - all 7.7 tanks can lol pen Maus

You don’t know what lolpen means.

Of course you’re a 1 nation main.

[AverageWehraboo]

@ULQ_LOVER

So we are taking about situation when it is looking at You or not?

@AverageWehraboo

T-44, T-44-100, T-54 (1947), Obj 248, IS-2 (1944), IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, Ho-Ri Prototype, Ho-Ri Production, AMX-13, Char25t can do NOTHING to the Maus frontally.

Flat on they can’t pen.

Try hitting the tiny pixel weakspot the Maus has when shot at by 122mm HE ingame.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@AverageWehraboo

Flat on they can’t pen.

I will get into the game and provide screanshoots later