Okay I know the xm800t has higher speed but I stg why it at 8.0 the Marders only at 7.7
- Atgm with 530mm of pen compared to no atgm yeah they both get 20mm and 7.62 but the atgm helps a lot like not having one sucks but even just having one even if it sucks, helps a lot
- it ravages 6.7 downteirs
Yeah the Marders gun sucks I understand that. But don’t come at me about the XM with “Oh It GeTs SaBoT” the sabot sucks, the speed is the only thing saving the XM. Please share your opinions but I’m really annoyed at this shit. The Marder can stay go down go up I don’t care let the xm800t breath. or at least decompress 6.7-8.0 we are fucked with cold war/after ww2 stuff.
Do you think Marder is undertiered? I guess you mean Marder A1-, well, is purely because the chassis, it’s not the most mobile, even worse compared to XM800T,
In my eyes, XM800T is in a better position as it, at 8.0, start to see least armored vehicles like the Germans medium and light vehicles, As the Marder 1A3 is already 8.0, making Marder A1- as folded or main vehicle is a good option, specially for saving this vehicle of facing later WW2 and post war heavies.
But it will create a gap, hopefully the Spähpanzer Luchs comes to the game if that’s the case, of the Marder A1- being moved up BR and folded with 1A3.
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i see your point but the xm is upteired Marder a1 is fine its annoying but fine im talking about the aspect of 1 vehicle being fine and one being upteired in the hopes of it being better like the fox is only at 7.7 but the xm is at 8.0 what with that is that a better example i could’ve provided?
as such the fox get s a 30mm with apds with 110 mm of pen and aphe rivaling like of larger calibers with excellent mobility
neither fox or marder 1a-/1a3 are stabilised, xm800t is fully stabilised. this is the only difference that matters because its fast, and a fast autocannon tank with a stabiliser can kill nearly anything
Oh, yes, XM800T is on 8.0 because people liked it so much it became a spam. Gaijin BR placement sometimes doesn’t take in count vehicle’s performance.
i see your point but im talking about long range capability yes i would take the xm close range any day but the marder has the ability to hide away at range and use the atgm to take out targets or at least disable them
oh yeah because warthunder famously has heaps of long range maps
yes i knew that from the start but it shouldnt be a thing it needs ot be about how the vheicle preforms not just because it was spammed
dude im not talkign about sands of sinai kind of range im talkign about 200-500 meter engaments where some pen is needed on heavier targets
the simple answer is to simply not engage people at those distances, almost every map has places where you shouldn’t need to shoot anyone more than 100m out. also what heavier targets you only have 66mm of pen.
also the sabot does make a big difference, in some recentish change the standard ap of the marder and xm800t shatters constantly as it has garbage angle pen now, the sabot is basically the only difference between marder 1a- and 1a3.
sure the xm800t doesnt have a missile, but it can close distance significantly faster than either marder so the missile is less important
mauses, IS seris, most mbt’s at the batlle raiting oyu still cannot pen.
even if it can most mg’s can pen it or just be shot with the main gun
okay? just take out their mg, main gun and track and run away. nobody expects you to kill them
the xm800t biggest strength is being a very good antilight and support vehicle
even if that’s the case by then most of their teammates know where you are and are looking for you plus you are a cas magnet (not fixable ik) and the ammo is really limited for how fast the gun fires and the reload is abysmal like just because its fast doesn’t mean anything
also if you’re complaining about not being able to kill heavy tanks you should be happy its going up in br, you’ll see less of them
dude even if you can barely kill the mbt’s or even disable barrels with the new updates on the health
you can kill every mbt except all the russian/chinese ones, simple answer, avoid them
if you’re getting swarmed by tanks, then that is due to a mistake from earlier in the match, attracting too much attention, i suggest you focus more on getting assists than kills people will pay less attention to you that way, also means less revenge bombing, cause people don’t get told where you are when they die, and you show up less in kill feed.
also the cas magnet thing is kinda fixable, its called using the 20mm autocannon to kill the planes first
yes, the ammo is limited and the reload is longish (its not that bad just pay more attention to it) but the fix for running out of ammo is to play closer to caps (and hope its not conquest not much you can do there)
also don’t run off alone, stick near friendlies and let them get shot first, they can deal with the things you cant and deal the finishing blow to things you’ve crippled
with how many jets there is it hard to distinguish if it s freindly or not wiht the similar engine whine and the getting kills and assits is valid by the time i get to caps theres always a wandering player who just died and is gettign back to the fights but you do have some valid points just teh 20mm is wildly inaccurate