The problem is that players expect to be able to pen when they hit fenders, boxes, or skirt/wheels/tracks when that is not how it works. HESH is “all or nothing” even on tanks with solid armor. If anything the game is more generous than it should be because I’m pretty sure it just uses the HEAT physics mechanic (and why “overpressure” blast effect is weak).
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Oh yeah, I def agree that HESH of all things should probably not work with glancing blows like that. But the issue currently is that even with direct hits, even to weak armor spots, very very often it does literally 0 damage. But when an HE and/or HEAT shell of 50%-25% of the TNT equivalent fill would at least do some sort of damage. I re test the HESH rounds in a test drive every so often, and it has just been the same randomly doing 0 damage on stationary targets with direct/perfect hits. Even with the FV4005 's HESH rounds, sometimes they just do absolutely nothing on perfect shots. To be fair, the FV4005’s rounds do tend to work a bit better than the M728 CEV’s and Centurion Mk.5 AVRE’s shells, HOWEVER, those 2 have almost the same TNT eq as the FV4005’s rounds, but seem to work well less than half the time.
Shell Comparisons:
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FV4005:
M728 CEV:
Centurion Mk.5 AVRE
Yeah, I’m not saying its wrong. Only that the “nothing” part is right. Against RHA, the pen should be pretty much ∞. Its designed to “penetrate” meters of concrete.
The FV’s HESH should really only be better because it has much faster n flatter trajectory.
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Ahhhh, speed is WAY faster, didn’t notice that, thx for pointing that out. Thanks for the chat, cheers!
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I feeded Da Snail. /shame
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Feed the snail!!! 🐌🥫
AB BR for it is just… bad. The actual literal worst AB K/D currently (statshark stats):
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In RB, where it’s a full 1.0 BR lower, it does a little better.
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Pls fix hesh
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Yowch.
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Worst tank in existence isn’t it??
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This thing and the AVRE are literally the same vehicle spec wise? if anything they should be equally bad lol maybe the M728 slightly worse because of that stupidly huge capula
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They are the same BR’s and have the same SL and RP modifiers, but a few differences - the CEV has thicker front armour and is faster forwards, the AVRE has ERA and smoke grenades - which I think are more useful than the ESS of the CEV. The AVRE also has faster reverse (12kph vs 8), which is pretty important.
the CEV has dual gunnery control, but it’s greater magnification for the gunner sight is a bit of a 2-edged sword with hte low velocity gun IMO…
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Remember that the Centurion AVRE has the bug that the added hull armor that should be 44mm is currently 10mm.
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Au contraire mon frère
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There’s also another terrible huge weakspot on the M728 CEV:
The rather very exposed turret ring:
Never exactly a good sign of survivability when a Tier III WW2 era tank can easily just penetrate a modified version of the M60A1 Main Battle Tank frontally…
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Based on all-player stats the Cent AVRE is still somewhat better in RB (statshark.net), but they’re close enough… but in AB the Cent does SIGNIFICANTLY better at the same BR, probably for a combination of the reasons given. I suspect because the M728 is seen as “the same as an AVRE” it’s being held at a higher BR in AB than it really should have.
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In AB the M728 is currently the “worst tank” by any metric. Not even the L3 is close, really. In RB this is the current wall of struggle buses (not counting Russian rocket and AA trucks, source: statshark.net again). The FCM is currently only #5 on the worst, H.35 is actually ahead of it, sorry OddBawz (#8 if you count the trucks, only vehicles with 10 or more total games last month counted):
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Of course that only considers K/D as its measure. There is also how much fun or interesting-i-ness it is to play. Which is subjective. That is why I agree with him on the FCM. That one is just not much fun to play no matter how you measure it.
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I wanted to get this but I couldn’t because it’s labeled as a “pack.”
I tried buying it as a pack but just got a 404 page. (I also got a 404 page when I tried my browser)
Gaijin not wanting my money is crazy ngl.
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Wierd. They must have reverted it back to its original icon/link early before the time expired and it went back to hidden. And of course the store item it points to no longer exists.
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This makes me sad because I’ve wanted M728 since it came out. I am also disappointed that you don’t get a decal for the Army Corps of Engineers.
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