In the end as well, if we wish to put aside the historical context of the vehicle.
Giving this tank it’s 1200 hp engine and gen 2 thermals will not make it better than the M60A3 SLEP or the TURMS that already exist at 10.0 as well, it will however make it different from both vehicles.
The Turms and M60A3 SLEP both have a gen 2 CITV and gen 2 GPS. The TURMS has the benefit of actually having composite and ERA arrays across the entire vehicle, however, the 120S only has such protection on the turret unless we wish to give the 120S it’s purposed hull re-design which frankly should put it up to 10.3 or 10.7 as that armor package is impressive to say the least, meanwhile the AMBT is still a M60 all over, it’s armor is pretty much worthless at it’s BR.
So the 120S trades a CITV which it’s competitors has, for a faster reload and a tougher turret, at the cost of being stupidly tall, with a massive turret base weakpoint and a hull that cannot stop anything.
I see this setup as a pretty good asymmetric balance, the TURMs is a jack of all trades master of none, the AMBT is a glass cannon sniper, and the 120S is a AMBT that trades it’s standoff capabilities for the ability to brawl better.
Ankara, Turkey On 27 September, General Dynamics will introduce its 120S Main Battle Tank during the opening ceremonies at IDEF 2001 in Ankara, Turkey.
The General Dynamics 120S is an upgrade of the M60 tank. The 120S is a unique product that integrates the M1A1 120 mm turret, equipped with a 240X4 Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR), onto a fully modernized M60 chassis.
The survivability of the 120S is unmatched. The turret is protected with the latest armor which was successfully demonstrated to the Turkish Main Battle Tank Committee. Additionally, the 120 mm ammunition is fully compartmentalized, providing optimum system survivability as demonstrated in the 1991 Gulf War.
The 120S chassis includes an M1A1 suspension system giving the tank greatly improved cross-country mobility and a stable base for fire on- the-move accuracy similar to the Abrams tank.
The new 120S is fully functional, ready to accept a powerpack of the customerÆs choice. To achieve mobility similar to an M1A2 Abrams tank, a 1200 horsepower AVDS-1790 engine is recommended however, other propulsion options are also possible.
“The 120S is an exciting product that offers a proven and affordable M60 upgrade solution to potential customers. The 120S makes existing M60 fleets relevant by increasing their capability close to that of the M1A1 Abrams tank performance, at half the price.” said Henry Umanos,. director of international business development and 120S program director for General Dynamics Land Systems. “Also of significant importance is the fact that the 120S upgrade components are in production with logistical and operational support readily available through the U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Corps.”
"The 120S offers a pragmatic approach to potential customers, "said Peter M. McVey, vice president of international business development at Land Systems . "ItÆs commonality with the Abrams tank family of vehicles, easily offers future growth opportunities to evolve into a new main battle tank program "
General Dynamics Land Systems is a wholly owned subsidiary of General Dynamics (NYSE:GD). General Dynamics, headquartered in Falls Church, Virginia, employs approximately 49,000 people worldwide and anticipates 2001 sales of approximately $12.0 billion. The company has leading market positions in business aviation, information systems, shipbuilding and marine systems, and land and amphibious combat systems.
More information about General Dynamics Land Systems can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.gdls.com/.
The ammo should be fully compartmentalized - its not.
The GPS is a 240X4 FLIR aka the GPTTS upgraded to gen 2 as the gen 1 is not 240x4.
The engine is the recommended and slated to be the AVDS-1790 but can be other engines, yet does not specify a 750 hp engine as an option, turkey required a minimum of a 1000 hp engine for the bids so a 750 hp option is out of the question from that side.
The turret is protected with quote “the latest armor” possibly a package like the aussie AIM.
No, it’s the 120S. It’s always been marketed as such. The M60 2000 was a completely different upgrade program that included appliqué armor on the base M60A1 turret and the FCS from the M1A1.
The M60-2000 only used a M1A1 turret. Not a M1A2 turret so it would not have the same armor as a M1A2 Sep. It was also only used as a test bed. Since it wasn’t ever gonna sell when they could just buy the M1A1 and because the M60 wasn’t in production therefore parts were becoming scarce.
The Australian M1A1 AIM still should have close protection levels to comparable US Abramses of the time. Iirc sources from the australian procurement or army were posted on the forum, saying that the DU armor was replaced with an export package that would offer comparable protection.
So it could be equipped with a turret that had that armor package. Of course I don’t know which armor package it was equipped with, I assume Necrons was also wondering this (could be wrong, so feel free to correct me on this bit).
The M60-2000 one?not so much.Sure,in 2000-2001 the US already had plenty of M1A2 and M1A2 SEP, but the NPT obviously excluded those last two. An armor package could be an option obviously,but it wasn’t offered by GDLS as a stock option,rather as an optional (just like the APU or the 2nd gen thermal).
So, considering that Gaijin is going with the prototype version (sigh),i don’t see the 120S having a M1A2-esque level of protection ever in this game
And honestly, I think the last bit of your reply that I quoted is also better for the vehicle itself. With it’s current armor it can at least stay 10.0 (I feel that they might remove M829A1 though, but of course I don’t know for sure).
Giving it M1A2 levels turret armor would likely see it moved to 10.7 where it would instantly be pretty useless with it’s current 750 HP engine.
My thoughts on the future of this vehicle are not very good.
Right now,it is busted at 10.0,so i expect its BR to raise to 10.3/10.7. But it absolutely doesn’t have the mobility to keep up,so at 10.3 you’re basically a moving half-bunker asking to be shot.
If they MAYBE listened to reason and gave it KE-W and the 1200hp+Allison combo and put it at 10.3/10.7,it would’ve been balanced.
But no,they need to forcefully swallow the KVT/Wolfpack/Clickbait combo to other people,they aren’t satisfied with the absolute damage they’ve dealt to US win rates. And let’s not talk about the privilege treatment the Leo2A4 gets
Bug report is up, but knowing gaijin they wont take a Raytheon brochure at face value so if someone has the direct link to that other 120S brochure I can add that in and that would be the two required sources.
My god,even the History of the vehicle is poorly written,i know where they got those info and they decided to write a shorter paragraph only because they don’t want people to assume that this vehicle is not accurate to the IRL part.
