The M-SHORAD "Sgt. Stout"--> A New Generation of American SPAAG

[Zannafrancy]

whats good about stingers as they are currently implemented? we know they WILL keep stingers artificially gimped forever.

[Alpharius11348]

@Zannafrancy

whats good about stingers as they are currently implemented?

its more of the proxy fuse autocannon + aesa radar, and potentially getting hellfires that could be good

[K9E_Indigo]

+1

[SandmanSix]

Thank goodness somebody already made this. Any word from Gajin?

I think this needs to be in the suggestions box vs machinery of war @TheKnightOfZero?

[HondaCivici]

I really hope we get this vehicle coming update. The US is in desperate need of some sort of reliable munition interceptor.

[TopGunCrew8367]

It could also get added as the increment 3 with the NGSRI stinger replacement missile. More maneuverable, longer range, and with the ability to contrast lock, countering DIRCM helis.

[Alpharius11348]

@TopGunCrew8367

and with the ability to contrast lock

you mean something that POST stingers should already have?

along with more maneuverability

[Lolman345]

^

Should already be a thing.

[HondaCivici]

Do we have enough information on the NGSRI for it to be implemented in game?

[TopGunCrew8367]

I find it more likely for gaijin to add the NGSRI missile than it is for them to actually fix the stinger at this point

[TopGunCrew8367]

There isn’t very much info on the NGSRI so gaijin would have to make up the numbers for half its stats. Which isn’t exactly something gaijin is new to. Either that or wait until 2028 when a competitor is supposed to be chosen and more information will likely start coming out.

[CmdrVince]

Tried suggestions box a long time ago. It never got put through. Oh well. This was the best I could do- informing people and hoping someone smarter than I could live to Gaijins standards

[TopGunCrew8367]

fortunately someone did make a suggestion that made it in :)

M-SHORAD Sergeant Stout

poll [4idnro77u5p81] Welcome to the suggestion for the M-SHORAD, also known by the name Sgt. Stout! As the name suggests, this is a Short Range Air Defense system, intended to face against low flying aircraft like helicopters, but can also defeat ground targets if necessary. It is armed with a 30 mm XM914 cannon, a pod of FIM-92 Stinger missiles, and AGM-114L Hellfires, although the latter is unlikely to be used in the future due to safety concerns. In War Thunder, the M-SHORAD would be a high…

[SandmanSix]

You didn’t make it as a suggestion is my guess.

@TopGunCrew8367 thank you looks like we just need approval for the go ahead

[CmdrVince]

I did originally- the issue was that it never got approved. This was at the time they moved over to the new forum however so I was still very much learning what the standards for the new site were as well as the expectations.

[Venndigo7192]

@CmdrVince

The Increment Two, also known as the DE (Direct Energy) mounts (and yes this is real)
1x 50kW Laser developed by Raytheon.

I’m not kidding. Its real. Testing started in late 2023. Apparently the Laser is very good for stopping drones. I, however, am NOT seeking for this to be added in game (I find it ridiculous and useless at the same time for the games purpose).

well well well… it seems extremely relevant now

[BeautifulTai_wan]

Especially for infantry mode. One of these would basically delete all drones on the map for free.

I also remember tests of a similar laser capable of destroying mortar rounds mid flight which may also be a capability this machine has. Not only would drones lose their ability to attack but even some standard MP-AT weapons would be intercepted and destroyed.

[Venndigo7192]

does the stinger actually pull that much in reality? I know there was a whole thing about MANPADS and overload, I wanna know what data gaijin was ignoring to make stingers useless in game.

[YeeT_and_Delete]

@Venndigo7192

I wanna know what data gaijin was ignoring to make stingers useless in game.

Pretty much every first party official source. Currently, the Stinger’s flight performance ingame is pretty much only based on the Russian Igla’s capabilities.
Anyways, here is a topic using just one of many sources available:

Why Gaijin is wrong about the Stinger (it should be 20g in game)

As everyone knows Gaijin recently posted a dev blog explaining their decision to give the Stinger a 13g overload in game. Their view is that the Stinger uses single channel control (which is correct), and that the documents giving a maximum overload of 20-22 g “indicate the peak overload achieved at the moment when the rudders are in the manoeuvre plane” and that as a result the average overload of the missile will be 63% of the peak overload (13 g). It is the second part of their reasoning I ta…

[Miraz05]

USA should add JAGM on this