Comparing the Marksman to the VEAK 40 is wild considering its on the same level of effiencency as the Gepard and Leopard II marksman in terms of Mid-range to Close-in AA. The VEAK 40 is so horrid at its job and the fact all you see when you use the VEAK 40 in 3rd person is.
I want you to tell me what you would rather use.
VEAK 40
Marksman
The higher it goes. The worse visability it gets…
You will look at the great fire of london when shooting and you will like it.
It should be noted that you only see those barrel flames when you’re in third person (vehicle) view. When you’re actually using your gunners sight it is not visible at all. They should still tone it down, though.
Ill trade you veak has no lineup and has to play the 8.0 lineup where its inferior to other SPAA. Ill take the Bosvark though since i use the BTR ZD for the gun at 8.3 once my ZSU dies.
I think you underestimate how bad the velocity and fire rate is lmal
for its BR, sure. Once you have to bring it to 5.7-8.0 lineup since you have no other options tho?
Bosvark is UK only option for SPAA between 5.7 and 8.0.
AMX 13 DCA, while not being only french option up until 8.7, its still arguably the best one as TPK is unarmored truck and AMX is literally IFV larping as SPAA.
So yeah, id take your VEAK any day.
All 35mm SPAAs to my knowledge are 8.3 at the lowest. That means that even at 8.0 its sole competitor for being the “best SPAA for BR” is…drum roll…shilka.
Even then, even through lack of lineup, its nonetheless best 7.7 SPAA by the grace of other nations not having 7.7 SPAA at all bar M163 and M163 is…well its M163 and ZSU-37-2 which is…well its ZSU-37-2.
Jokes on you, thats 37mm!
But I get your point. Still, Coelian is WW2 SPAA without any tracking or search radar. The way it looks for and engages planes differs little from Ostwind II etc.
Fair enough.
Yeah sadly out of those 3 the TPK is the best at killing planes sadly. The bofors slow rate of fire really holds back the dca40. And the amx 10m with the ACRA launcher is just as effective as the 10p against planes but it can kill tanks as well.
There are so many options but no the gap from 6.3 to 8.7 must remain without SPAA for france.
I run AMX 13 DCA with the french 7.7 because I have zero confidence in unarmored truck sporting combo of high RoF guns and relatively small magazine (or rather belt?). I had enough of such fun with Bosvark.
On top of that, AMX 13 DCA can be played as pseudo-IFV in a pinch, in case theres some gremlin lurking around our spawn on large maps.
I run all my loadouts between 6.0 and 8.7 without SPAA at all. There just is not any good ones to use so I rather take another light tank or something than waste my time with the TPK or amx 10p
I suppose I could fit Lorraine 40t in the 7.7 french lineup, but I find AMX 13 DCA to be decent pseudo-IFV. Can fire at planes in a pinch, and can deal with gremlins. Hell, the AP pen allows it to take on mediums at close range.
Comparing the K/D ratios of all 7.7 vehicles in GRB the VEAK is placed 38’th out of 46 vehicles.
The Bosvark is placed 17 of 31.
and the AMX-13 DCA 40 is placed 11 out of 18.
Comparatively the other two vehicles are doing better in their respective BR than the VEAK is. (Novembers numbers)
Im not denying that.
But for one second you will NOT convince me Bosvark or AMX 13 DCA would do same or better than VEAK at 7.7.
That’s a bit of a weird comparison?
That’s like saying that the Mig 19 is bad because it would do bad against planes in 12.0 . I personally don’t understand how that makes sense.
Im not sure if you bothered to read the whole exchange that lead to this whole point, but im assuming not.
The comparison to VEAK is being made because UK does not have 5.7-8.0 SPAA and france does not have 6.7-8.0 SPAA (but AMX-10P isnt spaa anyway), ergo they have to up-BR something if they want to have a SPAA in lineup.
And that whole exchange was started because OP said, and I quote:
While it might be less powerful than it was before, having less powerfull but BR appropriate SPAA beats having no BR appropriate SPAA at all.
If anything, you saying that both AMX 13 DCA and Bosvark do better in their respective BRs than VEAK does at its own doesnt make sense in this context.
That is exactly my view of the VEAK. It just does not work against planes well.
I might be a bad example aince I have 8 crew slots fpr France and yet have like 4 lineups without SPAA because I would rather take ELC BIS or EVR 1954 a whole BR higher than use any SPAA before the amx30 dca since those just don’t work against jets
Sure, it might be bad.
But seeing as it has the exact same search and track radar as Marksman turret and that one works good enough at 8.3, id take 7.7 VEAK over M163 any day.
Bad option beats having none at all.
I mean neither does Vulcan lmao.
But I get your point.
Issue is that light tank niche is already covered by AMX-13/90 and EBR 1964 in my lineups, so i dont have reason to bring those vehicles you mentioned to 7.7.
But having something that can fire rapidly and deal with larger amount of light skinned vehicles while at the same time being able to fire at planes (albeit badly) is niche I want covered so
To each their own I guess. My 8.3 and 8.0 lineups are almost purely light tanks anyway so I don’t care. I just don’t particularly like the amx 13 chassis being wobly as all hell. And don’t see any worth in bringing the dca 40
nonetheless, back to the original point - bad BR appropriate AA beats no BR appropriate AA at all, and both UK and France have options to cover the gap.
Sure, not saying VEAK is perfect or that it doesnt deserve some attention when it comes to bug fixing, but calling it “extremely underpowered” when at its BR, its actually one of the better choices, is dishonest.
