Jokes on you, thats 37mm!
But I get your point. Still, Coelian is WW2 SPAA without any tracking or search radar. The way it looks for and engages planes differs little from Ostwind II etc.
Fair enough.
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Yeah sadly out of those 3 the TPK is the best at killing planes sadly. The bofors slow rate of fire really holds back the dca40. And the amx 10m with the ACRA launcher is just as effective as the 10p against planes but it can kill tanks as well.
There are so many options but no the gap from 6.3 to 8.7 must remain without SPAA for france.
I run AMX 13 DCA with the french 7.7 because I have zero confidence in unarmored truck sporting combo of high RoF guns and relatively small magazine (or rather belt?). I had enough of such fun with Bosvark.
On top of that, AMX 13 DCA can be played as pseudo-IFV in a pinch, in case theres some gremlin lurking around our spawn on large maps.
I run all my loadouts between 6.0 and 8.7 without SPAA at all. There just is not any good ones to use so I rather take another light tank or something than waste my time with the TPK or amx 10p
I suppose I could fit Lorraine 40t in the 7.7 french lineup, but I find AMX 13 DCA to be decent pseudo-IFV. Can fire at planes in a pinch, and can deal with gremlins. Hell, the AP pen allows it to take on mediums at close range.
Comparing the K/D ratios of all 7.7 vehicles in GRB the VEAK is placed 38’th out of 46 vehicles.
The Bosvark is placed 17 of 31.
and the AMX-13 DCA 40 is placed 11 out of 18.
Comparatively the other two vehicles are doing better in their respective BR than the VEAK is. (Novembers numbers)
Im not denying that.
But for one second you will NOT convince me Bosvark or AMX 13 DCA would do same or better than VEAK at 7.7.
That’s a bit of a weird comparison?
That’s like saying that the Mig 19 is bad because it would do bad against planes in 12.0 . I personally don’t understand how that makes sense.
Im not sure if you bothered to read the whole exchange that lead to this whole point, but im assuming not.
The comparison to VEAK is being made because UK does not have 5.7-8.0 SPAA and france does not have 6.7-8.0 SPAA (but AMX-10P isnt spaa anyway), ergo they have to up-BR something if they want to have a SPAA in lineup.
And that whole exchange was started because OP said, and I quote:
While it might be less powerful than it was before, having less powerfull but BR appropriate SPAA beats having no BR appropriate SPAA at all.
If anything, you saying that both AMX 13 DCA and Bosvark do better in their respective BRs than VEAK does at its own doesnt make sense in this context.
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That is exactly my view of the VEAK. It just does not work against planes well.
I might be a bad example aince I have 8 crew slots fpr France and yet have like 4 lineups without SPAA because I would rather take ELC BIS or EVR 1954 a whole BR higher than use any SPAA before the amx30 dca since those just don’t work against jets
Sure, it might be bad.
But seeing as it has the exact same search and track radar as Marksman turret and that one works good enough at 8.3, id take 7.7 VEAK over M163 any day.
Bad option beats having none at all.
I mean neither does Vulcan lmao.
But I get your point.
Issue is that light tank niche is already covered by AMX-13/90 and EBR 1964 in my lineups, so i dont have reason to bring those vehicles you mentioned to 7.7.
But having something that can fire rapidly and deal with larger amount of light skinned vehicles while at the same time being able to fire at planes (albeit badly) is niche I want covered so
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To each their own I guess. My 8.3 and 8.0 lineups are almost purely light tanks anyway so I don’t care. I just don’t particularly like the amx 13 chassis being wobly as all hell. And don’t see any worth in bringing the dca 40
nonetheless, back to the original point - bad BR appropriate AA beats no BR appropriate AA at all, and both UK and France have options to cover the gap.
Sure, not saying VEAK is perfect or that it doesnt deserve some attention when it comes to bug fixing, but calling it “extremely underpowered” when at its BR, its actually one of the better choices, is dishonest.
Oh I never claimed personally to be extremely underpowered. It’s just bad and even though I have it in my lineup I rarely use it at all. It makes me even saltier that they decided to take away the HEVT about a month after I unlocked it so I got to experience the full VEAK glory untill it was taken from me and neutered into irrelevance.
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I gotta be real with you, the Shilka is kinda goated though, though i prefer the Yenisei personally
Though i dont need the radar with them because they have better velocity than the veak with better fire rate. The veak if it had good velocity would be a good 7.7 SPAA but nobody 7.7 sweden, nobody plays the veak cause its terrible. So you can’t tell me its a good vehicle when its only semi decent factor is the radar which again velocity is so bad any pilot will make one move and never get hit.
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Using the VEAK 40 against jets with a person who doesent fly in a straight line towards his target ca. 900-1.700m away and moving that would let you use your scope is the most worthless thing ever lol. With the HE-VT you could just make cirkles around the radar lead and one would hit by proxy. Now it cant do that and players will see the line of tracers (when the real ammunition the VEAK 40 uses didnt use tracers for its HE-I ammunition. even) And just manuever to the side and now ur rounds are too slow to hit him. Same if he is just not moving towards you in general. A jet at 7.7 is always about matching the speed of ur rounds so u wont hit them if he passes you after ca. 800-1.000m so you only have that 1.000-300m engagement range when you have a real chance to target the enemy. And at that point you really dont want to use 1st person in a SPAA
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The real 40mm Bofors has a deflection cone so the gunner wouldnt be blinded with the muzzleflash. So in reality nothing would be seen by your POV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvojbfGAHqo&t=6s
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True. Hopefully they tone it down.
Hopefully they remove it…
This just got passed to DEV’s.
Depending on what rounds they would give it it might be possible for it to end up as an “old VEAK” replacement at around 9.3 perhaps, with HE-VT (KULSGR 90) rounds but without the APFSDS.
(This doesn’t mean that the VEAK isn’t still in need of fixes as well)
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Counterpoint Norwegian Stinger M113