I interpreted it as the people conducting and writing the study assumed they’d be doing so for a French audience in the defense sector. Where that part is more of a review, rather then a definitive list of capabilities for each vehicle.
Since it can be assumed they didn’t write it expecting to be nitpicked by Escargot, the Leclerc and VBCI being well known already to be meant to be survivable so they were put as the vehicles that encompassed all the layers of defense.
So I got an official brochure from (the manufacturer) stating that the Leclerc can “fire the next shot in less than 6s”. However, I need additional sources to corroborate this and make a bug report.
If you have any, I’d really appreciate if you could post them!
The reload rate is known to be ~5s to the developers, however the reload rate is a balancing decision and in the end it is not up for us to decide nor can we do much about it.
This is not limited to just the Leclerc and basically all tanks in the game are subject or is subject to a longer than usual reload (Examples such as the Type 10 which is capable of ~3 seconds).
The 6s reload is due to (of my personal opinion and speculation) the Leclerc having a higher performance from the players using it and from that, the statistic’s (that are only available to Gaijin) indicate to the Leclerc performing as good (if not better) than other MBT’s of similar rank and BR for other nations in War Thunder.
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We’re getting to the point where any vehicle can be given to the dedicated French player base and we’ll get it stuck in statistics hell.
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Welp, at this point I’d expect the French players to still do as good in the next update and the Leclerc will receieve a 8s reload and only access to OF 120 G1.
Probably a nerf to a 1000hp engine on top of that…
Agree with you bro
I know it’s mostly a balance decision, but since this thread is about buffing the Leclerc we should explore any avenue possible. And since we have one undisputable source to back it up, we might as well get another one and I’ll make a bug report. It might get shot down, but we have nothing to lose at this point.
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Yep, with the new MBT’s that are coming and France having nothing new for ground (For top tier), I believe the need for the faster reload is even more nescessary as now these new MBT’s (coming with spall liners) will require more hits to take out and the faster reload will be the key to that, on top of improvements to its own armour and survivability.
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Thanks a lot. I have updated the bug report.
well they better give SHARD to Leclerc to keep up now if they gonna move those to Rank VIII
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America/Germany need to get M829A3/DM73 for that to happen.
Suggestions for new rounds were accepted a while ago.
As a tangent, VBCI spall liner from MJCPIA : Community Bug Reporting System
If anyone has anything else for other vehicles
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@_David_Bowie, could you please look at these reports? It would be really great if we could get these through before the new update.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/R0WAU20QgIes
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uNATBmoQ1yDj
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Need a picture of the spall liner
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Russian sources about NATO tanks are unreliable
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1: The spall liner is integrated into the modular armour. It would be impossible for a picture of the spall liner unless we had our hands on an actual armour module to crack open.
2: Which sources specifically?
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Can you take a look at the three sources I have in this thread?
Based on what we know as well, what Bossman saying that we won’t be able to see it is likely true.
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Other reports have provided information about how the spall liners are placed, information about where they are located is essential.
All sources written wtih Russian
I stated in the bug report: “All variants of the Leclerc have a rear lining to its composite armour”. The mentioned composite armour refers to the modular armour package that is retrofitted to Leclercs.
This bug report, Community Bug Reporting System was acknowleged and used the same Russian source (“Боевые машины Уралоагонзавода. Танк Т-72”) that is used in the bug report for the Leclerc’s hull armour. This source is essentially an extension of the Russian MoD since almost every defense enteprises is state-owned and under the control of the Russian government.
This source: Baryatinsky, M., 2007. «Леклерк» и другие французские основные боевые танки. In: Moscow: Моделист-конструктор, p. 25… Mikhail Baryatinsky is an established military journalist.
This source: Charov, Y., 1995. Зарубежное военное обозрение Issue 2, 1995. In: Moscow: Russian Ministry of Defense, p. 27… Is literally the mouthpiece of the Russian MoD.
This source: Berezkin, V. & Zheltov, I., 1998. Танкомастер Issue 2-3, 1998. In: Moscow: Техника - молодежи, Танкомастер, p. 30… One of the authors, Igor Zheltov is the Deputy Director for Scientific Work of Museum “History of the T-34 Tank”.
All of the sources used in the creation of these bug reports are highly credible. Furthermore, the closest thing we will ever get to actual numbers outside of the classified documents themselves is assessment by a foreign power - this has been provided. To call into question (especially) the validity of “Боевые машины Уралоагонзавода. Танк Т-72” is to call into question the abilities of the Russian government to assess the capabilities of other countries.
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Only mentioning is not enough, developers need to know what it looks like and where it is located so they can implement it.
Only sources 2-5 in that report are actually meaningful, source 1 is meaningless, and developers do not prefer Russian documentation for NATO tanks, they used Swedish test documentation