the problem I have with France is its not versatile at all I shouldn’t have to get in cas to be competitive all you have for top tier is Leclercs and somehow both models of the s2 and azur are just straight down grades over the s1 and s21.
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Yeah I know pain, four Leclerc with literally no change except for SXXI, before I got the cas I had a tough time to play top tier. I don’t really see there’s any reason to bring out s2 and AZUR, except for that 7.62 on the AZUR?
If you just compare tank to tank, Leclerc shouldn’t be in this position, it has a much greater potential for both armor and firepower.
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And don’t forget the gorgeous little brother :p
Panhard Crab
“The remotely operated turret can mount various types of weapons, from 7.62mm machine guns to 30 mm automatic cannons, and surface or air defense missiles”
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Sometimes I feel like you have actually aim carefully in order to non pen a Leclerc. :)
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i feel like people always shoot the thickest part of the armor when the ufp is like 265mm thick lmao
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You have 4 good tanks this isnt a game where you play only 1 vehicle. I really dont understand this “versatility” thing explain it?
What makes those 4 tanks “good”?
T-80BVM is good because it is almost frontally immune, its side armor is surprisingly reliable and its survivability is trolly; coupled with amazing mobility and 3rd generation thermals.
Strv 122 is good because it is almost frontally immune, it has great mobility and turret dynamics and above average firepower.
Type 10 is good because it has extreme rate of fire coupled up with with a very good shell, third generation thermals, outstanding mobility, trolly armor even if not too great and really small target.
Even M1A2 SEP and Leopard 2A6 are solid, given their turret armor, firepower, dynamics and mobility.
Now… what does Leclerc have? What makes it “so good” that any improvement would make it “too good”?
It has mediocre to inexistent armor (partially due to the nerfs), rate of fire is barely average, mobility is good but not much better than the average, turret rotation speed on the slower end, second worst shell in Top Tier and fuel tanks that insta-kill the whole tank as soon as they are glanced at…
So, what makes it so good that it doesn’t need its deserved fixes? As of now, it just feels like a worse and castrated Type 10 wannabe. Zero reason to play Leclerc over Type 10, Strv 122s, T-80BVM, and even stuff like M1A2 SEP or Leopard 2A6, both of which have better armor and firepower with similar mobility.
Each tank has a specific strength or redeeming quality; be it armor, survivability, firepower, dynamics, mobility or a combination of any sorts of those. Leclerc has none of those on its current state. No armor to boast about, even less so survivability; mediocre firepower and dynamics… all it has is good mobility, but that is not saying much when most of its counterparts share such mobility except with significantly stronger armor and/or firepower. It’s just objectively worse than its counterparts in most aspects in one way or another, to one degree or another. (Except for Ariete, but that does not even count as Top Tier tank anymore).
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They have good mobility, good gun handling and a reliable gun? Are they the best tanks at top tier? No Im not saying they are, but bad not even close.
We may have our disagreements, a number of which are in this post, but I thank you for this, Avenger.
@_Bj0rn
He’s overcoming all tank weaknesses with his skill, which doesn’t help everyone else that cannot do that.
You & I are on the same side here, afterall. As for my name, it was 2 - 3 years in the making to make a softer sounding username not based on a Jak & Daxter character.
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Simple, just lower BR and honestly it being the most expensive and almost new French tank it should be better, but it’s mostly classified, so they can only guess.
Uh, good mobility… just like the rest of all tanks which also happen to have better armor, better penetration and even better reload speeds?
“Reliable gun”? What does that even mean? It literally has the lowest penetration in all of Top Tier besides the Challenger 2s.
Leclerc is “good” in the same sense or way that spawning an M1A1 would be at that BR (except even M1A1 actually has better firepower too, lol). It can move around and it has a gun that shoots, that’s pretty much it.
No armor to make up for the lacking firepower, no firepower to make up for the lacking armor, and no particular redeeming quality beyond “it can move around and shoot”.
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To be honest, I don’t think lowering the BR is a solution.
Leclerc is one of Earth’s greatest tanks, it deserves to be depicted as such ingame… besides, lower BR would change nothing, since it would only keep getting uptiered and facing the same opponents anyway; the opponents that should be it’s balanced counterparts and contemporaries but which are way better just because of Leclerc’s implementation, too.
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Can’t always agree on everything, it’s only natural!
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it doesnt lack anything its perfectly capable of destroying any tank that you face at top tier. The mobility is way better than the type 10 ariete chally strv ect ect. Again you are crying that its not “better” when sure would I mind it being buffed to 5.5 second reload and get slightly better armor, of course I wouldnt mind that. But saying that its a bad tank right now is simply wrong.
M1 is technically capable of destroying any tank that you face at top tier. Even T-62, hell, even M18 Hellcat. that doesn’t mean anything. That point is very, very poor.
Any tank at top tier can kill another if it hits the side or a weakspot. That means nothing. It’s about the grounds they are when fighting in equal conditions.
I also didn’t say it’s outright bad. But it’s objectively lacking and missing capabilities that it has no reason at all to be missing and there’s no reason either to oppose a change for the better.
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Also I cant believe I have to mention this, but it seems like you people keep forgetting that this game is a lineup based game. You keep saying “why would you spawn a leclerc over a m1a2 or whatever” well you cant play the mirage with an m1a2. Frances top tier LINEUP is goated imo the best lineup in the game right now. So I dont really even care if the leclerc is not the best tank its serviceable and allows me 99% of the time to spawn my CAS options. Plus I really enjoy playing the leclerc any way it suits the strategies that i employ well. Which happen to be the best optimal strategies to use to win games, wow funny how that works.
yes so the only thing stopping you from doing well in the leclerc as you said is “every tank can kill every tank” is player skill so… Simply learn to use the tank better.
Ground vehicles and their capabilities should never be balanced around the hypothetical scenarios where their lacking capabilities are “balanced out” by entirely different kinds of vehicles. Plus, not everyone can or is willing to grind not just all the way to the top of a ground tree, but ALSO air tree.
Those same strategies can be employed even better with a Type 10 (if it’s hit and run tactics, even brawling), T-80BVM (for brawling), or M1A2 SEP or Leopard 2A6 (deffensive positions and hulldown). There’s zero reason to pick Leclerc over any of those for those strategies.
My your logic, you could use M1 and still do well because duh strategies or whatever. Hell, as I said earlier, you have a 83% WR and a 3.62 K/D on damn ARIETE. ARIETE! So yeah, if you can make that… thing work, you sure as hell can make a Leclerc work, and it’s not because it’s that good of a good tank.
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Not in my experience, plus as i said earlier lineups matter more than tanks by themselves. Type10 has a terrible lineup, and germany america sweden all have worse cas options than france. It has nothing to do with how good I am in the tank, its simply a good tank that I can use to maximum effect.
I can do more than perfectly fine on Leclerc- I just can do even more and better than that on tanks that do actually have, you know, strengths to exploit.
If I want to hit and run, I have no reason to play Leclerc over Type 10.
If I want to brawl, I have no reason to play Leclerc over T-80BVM or Strv 122.
If I want to play defensive, I have no reason to play Leclerc over M1A2 SEP, Leopard 2A6 or Strv 122.
I just have no reason to play Leclerc over any of those tanks. They are all better than Leclerc in one way or another, and often, in more than one way to a lesser or greater degree, whereas Leclerc is not better than any of those in any way.
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