We may have our disagreements, a number of which are in this post, but I thank you for this, Avenger.
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He’s overcoming all tank weaknesses with his skill, which doesn’t help everyone else that cannot do that.
You & I are on the same side here, afterall. As for my name, it was 2 - 3 years in the making to make a softer sounding username not based on a Jak & Daxter character.
Simple, just lower BR and honestly it being the most expensive and almost new French tank it should be better, but it’s mostly classified, so they can only guess.
Uh, good mobility… just like the rest of all tanks which also happen to have better armor, better penetration and even better reload speeds?
“Reliable gun”? What does that even mean? It literally has the lowest penetration in all of Top Tier besides the Challenger 2s.
Leclerc is “good” in the same sense or way that spawning an M1A1 would be at that BR (except even M1A1 actually has better firepower too, lol). It can move around and it has a gun that shoots, that’s pretty much it.
No armor to make up for the lacking firepower, no firepower to make up for the lacking armor, and no particular redeeming quality beyond “it can move around and shoot”.
To be honest, I don’t think lowering the BR is a solution.
Leclerc is one of Earth’s greatest tanks, it deserves to be depicted as such ingame… besides, lower BR would change nothing, since it would only keep getting uptiered and facing the same opponents anyway; the opponents that should be it’s balanced counterparts and contemporaries but which are way better just because of Leclerc’s implementation, too.
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Can’t always agree on everything, it’s only natural!
it doesnt lack anything its perfectly capable of destroying any tank that you face at top tier. The mobility is way better than the type 10 ariete chally strv ect ect. Again you are crying that its not “better” when sure would I mind it being buffed to 5.5 second reload and get slightly better armor, of course I wouldnt mind that. But saying that its a bad tank right now is simply wrong.
M1 is technically capable of destroying any tank that you face at top tier. Even T-62, hell, even M18 Hellcat. that doesn’t mean anything. That point is very, very poor.
Any tank at top tier can kill another if it hits the side or a weakspot. That means nothing. It’s about the grounds they are when fighting in equal conditions.
I also didn’t say it’s outright bad. But it’s objectively lacking and missing capabilities that it has no reason at all to be missing and there’s no reason either to oppose a change for the better.
Also I cant believe I have to mention this, but it seems like you people keep forgetting that this game is a lineup based game. You keep saying “why would you spawn a leclerc over a m1a2 or whatever” well you cant play the mirage with an m1a2. Frances top tier LINEUP is goated imo the best lineup in the game right now. So I dont really even care if the leclerc is not the best tank its serviceable and allows me 99% of the time to spawn my CAS options. Plus I really enjoy playing the leclerc any way it suits the strategies that i employ well. Which happen to be the best optimal strategies to use to win games, wow funny how that works.
yes so the only thing stopping you from doing well in the leclerc as you said is “every tank can kill every tank” is player skill so… Simply learn to use the tank better.
Ground vehicles and their capabilities should never be balanced around the hypothetical scenarios where their lacking capabilities are “balanced out” by entirely different kinds of vehicles. Plus, not everyone can or is willing to grind not just all the way to the top of a ground tree, but ALSO air tree.
Those same strategies can be employed even better with a Type 10 (if it’s hit and run tactics, even brawling), T-80BVM (for brawling), or M1A2 SEP or Leopard 2A6 (deffensive positions and hulldown). There’s zero reason to pick Leclerc over any of those for those strategies.
My your logic, you could use M1 and still do well because duh strategies or whatever. Hell, as I said earlier, you have a 83% WR and a 3.62 K/D on damn ARIETE. ARIETE! So yeah, if you can make that… thing work, you sure as hell can make a Leclerc work, and it’s not because it’s that good of a good tank.
Not in my experience, plus as i said earlier lineups matter more than tanks by themselves. Type10 has a terrible lineup, and germany america sweden all have worse cas options than france. It has nothing to do with how good I am in the tank, its simply a good tank that I can use to maximum effect.
I can do more than perfectly fine on Leclerc- I just can do even more and better than that on tanks that do actually have, you know, strengths to exploit.
If I want to hit and run, I have no reason to play Leclerc over Type 10.
If I want to brawl, I have no reason to play Leclerc over T-80BVM or Strv 122.
If I want to play defensive, I have no reason to play Leclerc over M1A2 SEP, Leopard 2A6 or Strv 122.
I just have no reason to play Leclerc over any of those tanks. They are all better than Leclerc in one way or another, and often, in more than one way to a lesser or greater degree, whereas Leclerc is not better than any of those in any way.
GO back and read what I said
Same goes for you. Or wait, let me, a ground player, somehow manage to grind the entire French air tree to get the Mirage or whatever and play CAS when I am, well, a ground player and tank enthusiast, because of whatever about tanks being balanced out by the CAS on their lineups.
Because apparently ground players also need to grind the entire air trees to bring CAS instead of being able to just play and rely on their ground vehicles.
Is it not simpler to just, you know, make all nations balanced in the same field?
I read what you said it still makes no sense and is not talking about what I said. I don’t care about people who only play tanks this game is LINEUP based. Even still the Leclerc is still not a bad or under performing tank, in fact I think france has one of the highest win rates in the entire game ATM.
[Citation needed]
So your only defence is “everyone is wrong except me”, “there is no issue, everyone is the issue instead” and now you bring in win rates, as if they weren’t the most insignificant, unreliable, meaningless and dreaded way to balance out vehicles.
So regarding the win rates, I will explain it once more: a minor nation that’s barely played and is mained by highly experienced and skilled players having a higher win rate than a nation mass-played by average players and newcomers does not say anything about the quality or capabilities of the vehicles, only the players.
And vehicles should never be “balanced” out as according to the performance of their players. I thought everyone agreed on this.
As an 8 nation player, ALL I want is to have as much as a single reason to look back at the Leclerc and think: “yeah, I have a reason to play it”. But no. When I look at France, all I think of is: “this was a waste of time and effort grinding this was”, until the situation changes, if it does, at least. Just one reason, only one.
And as I said earlier; performance or subjective capabilities are besides the point. The game is meant to have historically accurate vehicles as stated in the official webpage and by the developers and oublisher. Leclerc has historical accuracy issues. Therefore, they need to be fixed. There should be no discussion about this and there is no reason to oppose this.
Yes but since pompousMagnus is so gifted and we are so bad that he can legitimately assert that Leclerc has no problem. In any case, that’s all I remembered.
Conveniently ignoring the explanation as to why a minor nation mained mostly by veterans and highly skilled players has a higher WR than nations with 30x times larger playerbases and which are rushed by masses of average players and newcomers
Oh, and also, now it’s even higher than usual because many of said highly skilled multi-nation playing veterans are grinding Leclerc AZUR- flavour of the new addition syndrome.
