as well as both models of the Panhard Sphinx
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You are 100% insane thinking that a GAME like this would be at all “Accurate” to muh IRL you are a known grifter and really not very well informed on how this game operates. Posting Cope on leddit to 1k other misinformed players is not proof of anything. Arguing about the IRL accuracy of tanks is a complete waste of time. The whole point of this thread is that the leclerc is bad in the GAME , ITS NOT. Thread over.
I could not care LESS whether someone considers it to be good or bad.
It is objectively inaccurately depicted although the game’s main selling point and premise is objectively accurate depictions of vehicles and that is ALL that matters.
Its real and objective capabilities are lacking compared to what it should be.
Would you like to see a Tiger I with 50mm of front armor just because “it can do well enough anyway”? Would you like to see a T-55 with 30mm of turret armor just because “it can do well enough anyway”?
Would you like to see a T-80BVM without ERA just because “it can do well enough anyway”?
If M1A2 SEP had 200mm KE of armor in the hull and people criticised this would you still come by to trash talk them telling them that “who cares, it’s good enough anyway?”
That is NOT what War Thunder is suppossed to be like.
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Because I dont care about accuracy at all, I dont play the GAME for that. I play it to destroy tanks and planes. I would much rather the GAME be balanced based of in game performance rather than any historical data.
Let me refer you, ONCE AGAIN, to the game’s official webpage statement:
Over 2,000 highly detailed aircraft, helicopters, ground vehicles, warships and other combat vehicles crafted carefully from historical documents and surviving sources.
War Thunder is not a Counter Strike with vehicle skins/thematic. It’s meant to be h i s t o r i c a l l y a c c u r a t e when it comes to vehicle depictions. Vehicles are meant to be near exact replicas of their real life counterparts. It has extremely accurate damage and armor models and mechanics for a reason and it takes them months and even years of research to model vehicles or apply any changes to them and it’s because that’s how it’s meant to be. Then there’s you, apparently wanting this game to be Call of Duty with tank-shaped models.
Also- you are not a player to be trusted with with what is a good or a bad tank.
You have a 83% WR and a 3.62 K/D on damn ARIETE and a 65% WR and 3.23 K/D on literal CHALLENGER 2 TES. Anything with tracks and a gun is going to be “good enough” for you because you are some weird form of godlike-player. I hope you are happy enough now that I have fed your ego to see this truth.
Type 10 has extreme mobility, thermal quality, rate of fire and an excellent shell.
Strv 122 has extreme protection degrees and great firepower.
T-80BVM has extreme protection degrees and amazing mobility.
What does Leclerc have? What makes it “so good” compared to a Strv 122, a T-80BVM or a Type 10? What would make it so “overpowered” if it had semi-functional armor on its UFP instead of it being non-existent? What would make it so “unbalanced” if it had a shell more similar to that of its counterparts?
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I don’t have the courage to read everything, but are you here just to create drama? If 20 people criticize something and only one person found it good because that one person knows how to use it, claiming that the others don’t know, who are we going to believe? I think you should create a thread to praise the merits of Leclerc.
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True, and I kinda fell for the bait, my bad there xD
Gonna just ignore the guy from now on.
I just got triggered because I came here to check the thread after some days and all I could see was comments from this user spamming the thread by trash talking everyone and trying to discredit these concerns.
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Secondly I find it strange that the return of Razer (under a new nickname (strange…)) is accompanied by several hidden messages…
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As usual you are misinterpreting what ive said, typical. Because I play well doesnt mean that im unable to tell you a vehicles flaws. In fact I would know the weaknesses better than most. Yes there are some tanks that are not as good as the best ones WOW AMAZING DEDUCTION. Im just going to go back to ignoring annoying grifters.
I feel like France overall is a great nation in terms of top-tier lineup, you got two mirages and now we also have a pretty nice heli. I just got the mirage and these are great tools for cas. Somehow I understand why the devs don’t want to fix the Leclerc, since with a great MBT, France will really become the oppressor in Top-tier ground RB. (other than USSR) Cuz if you look around, Japan and Sweden don’t have full access like France does.
That is my opinion, France is a great nation for the top tier, but it doesn’t change the fact that Leclerc needs to fix its armor.
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Go take a breath, we understand your point of view already, no need to add anything else.
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Agree with you, except one details:
France did not use Spike on EBRC Jaguar or boths VBCI2s, but Akeron MP (previously named MMP)
the problem I have with France is its not versatile at all I shouldn’t have to get in cas to be competitive all you have for top tier is Leclercs and somehow both models of the s2 and azur are just straight down grades over the s1 and s21.
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Yeah I know pain, four Leclerc with literally no change except for SXXI, before I got the cas I had a tough time to play top tier. I don’t really see there’s any reason to bring out s2 and AZUR, except for that 7.62 on the AZUR?
If you just compare tank to tank, Leclerc shouldn’t be in this position, it has a much greater potential for both armor and firepower.
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And don’t forget the gorgeous little brother :p
Panhard Crab
“The remotely operated turret can mount various types of weapons, from 7.62mm machine guns to 30 mm automatic cannons, and surface or air defense missiles”
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Sometimes I feel like you have actually aim carefully in order to non pen a Leclerc. :)
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i feel like people always shoot the thickest part of the armor when the ufp is like 265mm thick lmao
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You have 4 good tanks this isnt a game where you play only 1 vehicle. I really dont understand this “versatility” thing explain it?
What makes those 4 tanks “good”?
T-80BVM is good because it is almost frontally immune, its side armor is surprisingly reliable and its survivability is trolly; coupled with amazing mobility and 3rd generation thermals.
Strv 122 is good because it is almost frontally immune, it has great mobility and turret dynamics and above average firepower.
Type 10 is good because it has extreme rate of fire coupled up with with a very good shell, third generation thermals, outstanding mobility, trolly armor even if not too great and really small target.
Even M1A2 SEP and Leopard 2A6 are solid, given their turret armor, firepower, dynamics and mobility.
Now… what does Leclerc have? What makes it “so good” that any improvement would make it “too good”?
It has mediocre to inexistent armor (partially due to the nerfs), rate of fire is barely average, mobility is good but not much better than the average, turret rotation speed on the slower end, second worst shell in Top Tier and fuel tanks that insta-kill the whole tank as soon as they are glanced at…
So, what makes it so good that it doesn’t need its deserved fixes? As of now, it just feels like a worse and castrated Type 10 wannabe. Zero reason to play Leclerc over Type 10, Strv 122s, T-80BVM, and even stuff like M1A2 SEP or Leopard 2A6, both of which have better armor and firepower with similar mobility.
Each tank has a specific strength or redeeming quality; be it armor, survivability, firepower, dynamics, mobility or a combination of any sorts of those. Leclerc has none of those on its current state. No armor to boast about, even less so survivability; mediocre firepower and dynamics… all it has is good mobility, but that is not saying much when most of its counterparts share such mobility except with significantly stronger armor and/or firepower. It’s just objectively worse than its counterparts in most aspects in one way or another, to one degree or another. (Except for Ariete, but that does not even count as Top Tier tank anymore).
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They have good mobility, good gun handling and a reliable gun? Are they the best tanks at top tier? No Im not saying they are, but bad not even close.