The M1A2 and M1A1 HC/ M1A1 HC Clickbait being 12.0 has always been quite insane to me… They 100% should all be 12.3 alongside the Leo 2A5 and Leo 2PL (which are both currently in a perfect spot BR wise).
Worse thermals and the lack of CITV does not justify a massive 2 drops in BR for what is in terms of capability a carbon clone of the M1A2 SEP.
As for the rest of what you said I 100% agree, the BR’s for top tier ground vehicles are horrendous when you go off of their capabilities.
Things like Ariete’s, Challenger 2’s, and Leclerc’s should NOT be 12.3/12.7 when already existing vehicle at those BRs are so much better in firepower/reload, survivability, and responsiveness/mobility.
Leclerc is still good at 12.7. @MotorolaCRO wouldn’t it be fair to put them at 12.0? They are moreso on par with M1A1, which IMO would reshuffle their BRs to be:
M1A1: 12.0
Leclerc S1/S2: 12.0
Leclerc AZUR/SXX1 w/ better round: 12.3
M1A1 HC+: 12.7
Keep in mind that at 12.0, the M1A1 would have no survivability nor armour to play with – effectively a more mobile Ariete with worse turret survivability but better hull. At least the Leclerc has ~590mm turret cheeks along with its good mobility, reload, and versatility.
how so ?
I’ve got the first two leclercs man and they’re almost identical bar the S2 is actually heavier due to the Air con unit and such having been added.
The armours on them are identical, round, reload, optics etc all the same.
Only difference realistically is the S2 may accelerate slightly slower.
So how is the M1A2 “far better than the first leclerc” yet equal to the S2. which is if anything, worse than the first one
I would agree if the Leclerc had a resemblance of a turret, but have you seen how massive that breach is? The cheeks are on the far edges and are not usually what’s getting hit. Aside from that, M1A1 is more mobile, can carry more shells, has better shells, better utility, etc. I would say that M1A1’s pros outweigh the minimal extra turret armor, and make them out to be rather equal.
And I would use Leclerc over M1A1 any day of the week. Might just be upto preference.
I wouldn’t really see how Leclercs could be oppressive at 12.0 but we could agree on 12.3 for all of them?
I would say they are fine tanks. They’re playable, but could go down.
Though I prefer that they get their accurate armor instead of going down to 11.3:
