So, not just the Leclerc. This implementation of power electronics still seems very strict to me. And in those other vehicles, at least those modules are situated in a compact area. The leclerc has those modules all around the turret basket, meaning that if the crew doesn’t get one shot, and shot center of mass is still going to cripple him (from any aspect)
Because in other vehicles the designers made them like that, unlike the Leclerc.
12.0 - 12.3
Definitely just as good or worse than the 12.0 Abramses.
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A considerable amount worse yes.
I think they should give 2 Leclercs a better round like F2 or Shard and put them at 12.3, and put 2 at 12.0.
The 12.0 Abrams could be 12.7 easily.
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The modules chosen by Gaijin look very random. I’ve never seen any documents showing a layout that they have chosen for such systems.
And you are missing my point. I still think that whatever the vehicle, having these power systems modelled on a case by case basis tends to artificially buff/nerf certain vehicles compared to others.
All tanks have power systems at some point or another. Energy isn’t juste magically transmitted from the engine to the pumps/motors
I saw it. And what difference does that make? I think you’re basing your thoughts on assumptions and expectations, not on what you know.
All tanks with power electronics or a pump will receive it sooner or later (although this has essentially already been done for almost all except the Challenger 2 and Ariete (though one of the Ariete received new modules).
It will be considered as such if both drives depend on it, as otherwise it is simply part of a specific drive (vertical or horizontal).
This module disables both drives if both drives are not connected to it in real life; obviously, it shouldn’t be classified as such in the game.
So, according to you, vehicles including the T series don’t have power systems at all ?
Edit : If you could also share where you’ve seen that Leclerc layout, that would be cool
Once again, the T-series doesn’t have a power booster or pump that’s shared between the horizontal and vertical thrusters.
So yes, in-game, they can have this. Otherwise, why would damage to the horizontal thruster stop the vertical thruster, and vice versa?
Le Systeme Leclerc - Ferrard, Turbé - In my opinion, this is the most comprehensive technical book on Leclerc.
So, the engine alternator is directly powering the pump and motor without any intermediary systems, batteries, etc… ?
I want that Russian magic
The tank naturally has batteries, but in the game they’re classified as an electrical system. You can already see what it looks like in the BMPT-72. It’s an exact copy of any other T-64/72/80/90.
Power electronics refers to the power amplifier and hydraulic pump. It must supply power to both drives simultaneously.
The T-series does not have this feature.
I think we are turning in circles. We are just not talking about the same thing.
The book about Ferrard, linked to the picture you shared above, explicits that many of those systems in the turret baskets are used to store and convert energy, as well as some FCS module (digibus and other). The T series have the model of a battery, FCS and their drives. They certainly need to also use converters and amplifiers to run the electrical systems from the engine alternator to the batteries and the pump and motor. Those are not modelled.
Once again, in the game, “power electronics” refers to something that controls both the vertical and horizontal guidance drives.
For the T-series, the “connecting” element is essentially the batteries, but they are classified as an electrical system, not power electronics.
Electricity has to be converted at some point or another.
Plus, even if we only speaks of the battery module itself, the fact that it’s simply classified as a battery instead of the broader "power modules"still allow the vehicle to aim as it will not completely disable the drives
I’ve already explained where you’re wrong. The problem isn’t that it doesn’t convert.
Well, actually, damaging the batteries makes it impossible to aim the gun and fire. Have you ever played on a vehicle with batteries?
With the VBCI2, losing the battery still allows me to aim and shoot
I think neither of us are going to agree on that, so I’ll stop clogging this thread further
cause it doesnt have it?
It’s not about compliance, but rather that in the T-series, there’s no single point where this happens. This works independently for the vertical and horizontal drives, meaning there can’t be a module that disables both parts at once.
VBCI tech tree actually, but I just checked and since last time I played it the batteries have been replaced with power systems. Actually thought they had rat some point copied the internal modules of the VBCI to the VBCI 2, apparently they didn’t fully since the 2 doesn’t feature those batteries transformed to power systems
We have different opinions on what those power systems are supposed to represent. Looking at Ferrar’s books those are a mix of FCS modules and batteries (accumulators) and power distribution systems from said accumulators to the electric motors. In the same page he also states that the main advantage of such systems is the volume gain, and somehow all those modules end up being bigger than other more conventional hydraulic systems.
Meanwhile, you say that the T series, among the other vehicles that don’t have power systems, don’t needs all that to power their systems. From the batteries to the other systems (and from the alternator to the batteries for that matter), you need some sort of power distribution. If you don’t model it for all vehicles, remove "power systems"and convert the remaining modules to batteries and FCS respectively. This way, you reduce the number of crippling modules since the power distribution are removed and the FCS modules still allow you to aim, albeit with reduced capabilities
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This is not true. The batteries, as well as the equipment that operates them directly, are located within the tank’s hull.
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Problem with the 12.0 Abrams going to 12.7 is that there are premium 12.0 Abrams and it would set another precedent on ‘top tier’ premium vehicles being available.
Ferrard themselves describe the turret motorisation system as being comprise of accumulators, which are basically high power batteries, a digibus, and the power is being transmitted from the accumulators to both motors.
You can still have external batteries with lower power output for bigger battery storage.
What else can those “power systems” be if they are not accumulators and power distribution systems ?
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