Not really, I’ve seen leclerc videos firing in 5 seconds, hence why I find it quite odd why so many books, magazines and videos show it as 5 seconds, yet manufactor will say 6
show video with 5 sec
can i link a reddit video of inside the leclerc?
Like genuinely asking or will I get forum banned xD
Source? I have yet to read that anywhere.
I mean, surely if a Dev said that you can provide me the comment / post / Devblog you’re basing yourself on?
Sure, how about these 2 videos ? You know, the ones the bug report already provides. And they’re pretty hard to hand-wave away:
- French MoD video: reload in under 3 seconds, without losing firing position
2:15 — https://imagesdefense.gouv.fr/fr/bande-a-themes-amx-leclerc.html - “De Leclerc au Leclerc” documentary: 5 seconds reload, again without barrel movement
39:38–39:45 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN6eYouePNM
But you would know that if you weren’t actually ignoring what doesn’t fit your narrative…
So you’re ignoring official footage, ignoring documented tests, ignoring what the devs already reviewed… and cling to a single isolated “6 seconds” line. You aren’t being rigorous. You’re just showing how shaky your entire argument actually is…
As Napoleon said “When you’re at the bottom of a hole … stop digging”. 😉
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Directly from the french MoD I see.
About as accurate as it can get for how fast it can reload then, So most sources stating that it’s likely 5 seconds combat reload, 6 seconds out of combat etc are more accurate than not?
I said so too but hey ho I’m not gonna waste too much on it.
Hence why I thought better to bring the discussion to the Leclerc thread rather than hidden on a T series thread.
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I now don’t need to as there are more than one shown, if you google it , there are plenty videos showing 5 sexonds
The cyclogram literally states that after loading, the gun returns to its original angle, which takes about 0.25 seconds.
If the loading time for a gun already at the technical loading angle were taken into account, the time would be shorter.
You’re literally not reading what I’m writing. The timer in this video is complete nonsense. You’re supposed to measure the time from the shot to the moment the gun returns to the same spot where it was fired.
The timer measures complete nonsense. It starts much later than it should, and ends much earlier.
In fact, in the video, loading takes 7-8 seconds.
The fact that you don’t understand this means that you don’t understand how the autoloader works in general.
There’s no full cycle here. You completely fail to understand that loading a shell into a gun is only part of the cycle.
Let me cut out a fragment of the T-series shell chambering and tell you that they load a shell in two seconds?
Unfortunately, you understand this issue so poorly that you can’t even realize that the first of your videos shows nothing, since it is only part of a cycle, and the second one shows a reload time of less than 6 seconds.
Even if we pretend barrel travel is the pacing element (it isn’t), the math still isn’t right. Once again, FCS processing time isn’t a thing in War Thunder so that’s out of the way.
The Leclerc’s resting alignment is around −1.8°, max depression −8°, elevation speed ≈30°/s. Worst-case travel adds ≈2 x 0.2 = 0.4 seconds total.
So even under your own premise:
- operational cyclic ≈ 5.4 s
- maximal cyclic ≈ ~4.4 s
Meanwhile, Smin has said repeatedly that vehicles are modeled in their best achievable configuration … except for reload, which is subject to an additional balance check.
So with its highest possible cyclic rate, the reload sequence would still be, 4.412 seconds, so
what we have in-game is fine.
That’s exactly what we have in-game, backed by MoD footage and documentary evidence that the devs already reviewed and accepted.
The Devs could have gone as low as 4.4 seconds but balance is essential, and it is why MSC still doesn’t have a 3 seconds (or even 4 seconds) reload rate right now. Same goes for Type 10 which could reach a reload rate in the realm of 2 seconds.
So in other words, even according to your logic, barrel travel doesn’t magically justify 6 seconds … 5.4 at best, and even then, there is still a point about it being 4.4 because of the maximum cyclic speed. So yeah. We just went all over the same things the Devs went through to decide that 5 seconds would be the most appropriate now.
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Why do you keep using these fictitious numbers?Have you ever seen 4 seconds in any source? Not a single good source even claims 5.
That video doesn’t show a full charging cycle. Even the fragment shown is only 5 seconds long, and it doesn’t show the gun being brought into position or the conveyor fully rotating.
The video doesn’t even show the moment of the shot, although the recoil of the gun and the extraction of the shell tray takes 0.2-0.3 seconds.
From this, you’ll get ~6
Literally here you see 7-8 seconds
Here you see 5 seconds for an INCOMPLETE cycle.
There is no:
- firing
- recoil of the breech
- extraction of the shell tray
- bringing the gun to the loading angle
- returning the gun to the firing angle
- unlatching the gun
Taking into account the remaining parts, you get 6+
You literally made up your numbers, denying primary sources that say exactly 6, denying a number of authoritative secondary sources that say 6, denying videos that never show the full cycle from shot to shot in 4 or 5 seconds.
3 seconds
2 sec looks a bit copium
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Im very confused about the front hull armor of the Leclerc, where did Gaijin even get the dimensions and protection estimates of the composite from? All the info i could find of the Swedish mbt trials only showed the turret, and the discrepancy between the MSC and production Leclerc are bizarre, especially on the sloped front plate that on the Leclerc cant even stop 3bm22 while the MSC can stop 3bm42 in some places
Think the french MOD showing it as about 4.8 seconds not 3.5 is pretty accurate bud.
Hes not just pulling numbers out thin ai
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Please note that the French MoD video does not show the entire cycle.
The missing parts take up a second, making the cycle 6 seconds long.
Me when I can’t accept the fact that NATO can make faster autoloaders than Russia.
Honestly its gettin funny at this point.
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In my opinion, it’s the other way around.
Many people here deny the manufacturer’s documentation, make incorrect cycle measurements that only cover part of it, and for some reason turn a blind eye to the fact that at least 7 seconds pass between shots.
Oh yeah, and they’re also inventing some “emergency” reloading modes. Show me that button on the remote, or even one mention of it.
Manufacturers clearly states that Leclerc can reload much faster than 6 seconds, hell even 5 seconds.
Its just that you’re ego can’t accept the fact NATO can produce better equipments than Russia.
Honestly after reading your replies to @An_Pigeon I realized that you’re just wasting everybody’s time.
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Does it?
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Ignoring countless sources that indicates or shows that Leclerc can reload under 6 seconds while showing me some questionable sources that can’t be find through online search doesn’t suit you at all.
Of all the people I thought you were better than this.
I’m citing both their own brochure and their own specs submitted to the UK MOD? What do you mean? These are direct claims from the manufacturer?
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Same manufacturerer also claims it can reload significantly faster.
So what is it going to be Gunjob?
Should we take this “as marketing lie” like Gaijin claimed on EFT’s flight performance bug report?
In this case I’ll choose to believe the actual report that has led us to 5 second reload time, hell even Gaijin knew Leclerc can reload in 5 seconds and even faster all those years yet they kept it back due to balance reasons.
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