But better gun depression, and much better survivability, round and armour – being very effective as a front-line tank and in hull-down sniping positions, but also still very relevant in CQC 1v1 situations.
Somewhat.
The min zoom is 4.0x for the Type 10, compared to the Leclerc’s 3.3x and the Abrams’ 3.0x, though I’m not sure how much worse that truly is. It’s definitely not the 8.8x - 10.0x zoom of the Type 90’s.
Type 10’s max zoom is 13.3x, which is better than the Leclerc’s 10.0x zoom and the Abrams’ 13.0x zoom (though this one is barely a difference).
I agree, and so why must the Leclerc be at the same BR as the M1A2 SEP V1?
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Because the way gaijin balance.
Not that i agree wirh it, but the leclerc is extremely good for what it is to be fair, i was absolutely alarmed by it when i got it.
Though it and tbe S.2 could be 12.3 in all fairness.
Not really massively less mobile. It has worse top speed, but in the 0-30kph range the Leclerc doesn’t accelerate faster than the Leo 2a7v (or it’s barely noticeable). The turning ability of the Leclerc isn’t really much better from my experience (I don’t play the 7V specifically but AFAIK its not worse than 2A5 and 2A6 that I’ve played).
2a7 is more sluggish due to the weight.
Also limited to 61kph.
Im currently working on tbe 2a7 now as wlel
Leclerc is equal to M1A1 tbh, move M1A1 HC specs to 12.7 and make the M1A1/Leclerc 12.0.
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12.3 ,leclerc is a wee bit better, due to mobility, optics and slightly trollier armour
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Leclerc has much better turret armour, better thermals, no NATO hump and slightly better mobility, but worse gun depression and worse round.
I’d rather take the Leclerc over M1A1 in most cases to be honest.
I think the AIM / M1A2 / HC / Click-Bait and Leclerc are similar in capabilities. Hence both should be 12.3.
Either worse round than M829A2 (KE-W) for better Thermals, or M829A2 for worse thermals.
12.0 may be too low for Leclerc, and Type 90 has similar potential to M1A1 anyways, unless you want to move it up too. Similar armour, better mobility, much better reload and better situational versatility, more effectice trolly armour, and Gunner + Commander on opposite sides bonus, at the cost of a much worse round, worse fixed gun depression, much worse optics and gun handling.
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@An_Pigeon In a race the Leclerc actually loses, even the S1. The transmission’s gearing is not the best.
Both have very similar turret armor except the Leclercs breach is far larger and is way weaker. Abrams also has other utilities like the MPAT, more smokes, ESS, etc.
M1A1’s turret cheek armour is around ~460mm, whereas the Leclerc’s is somewhere around ~590mm.
You can penetrate the M1A1’s armour just as easily as with the Ariete’s other than the UFP at >200m (though the Ariete has no safe ammo stowage) with rounds with 480mm+.
You are easily penetrated by 120mm DM33, L7A1, 3BM46, 3BM60, etc…
You can’t penetrate the Leclerc’s turret armour even with 3BM60. You must shoot 590-600mm+ pen darts to reliably penetrate at most angles and ranges, which most tanks at 12.0 definitely don’t have.
The one more pop of smoke is definitely nice, bur still won’t afford you two full repairs in smoke, and ESS can be still useful at top tier, but its effectiveness is much less at ~12.0 than something like 9.0 or even 10.3. No turret basket is also quite nice at the moment.
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However, you have this, breach is not even 90mm.
I’d say just the snappiness of the Abrams chassis edges out the Leclerc, I don’t really care for the armor or thermals too much, as both have quite a lack of armor anyway.
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as @rainy2000 stated the abrams turret is quite a lot worse thanthat of the leclerc.
The Leclerc in my experience feels snappier tbh, though both are excellant tanks
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I will admit I didn’t know the Leclerc was built like that.
Regardless, both don’t have great turret armor against top tier vehicles, hence why I think both should be 12.0.
Leclerc should be 12.3 at least, As much as I would like it to sit lower, it is comparable to the 2A5, or the other 12.3s like the VT4 and ZTZ.
M1A1 should be at least 11.7 , right now it completely cominates the 10.3 - 11.3 area, as well as puts to shame some tanks like CR2
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HC Specs need to be 12.7 so the M1A1 can be 12.0, 10.7s have no business fighting this thing tbh. I don’t think the differences warrant a .3 or even .7 BR gap between it and the Leclerc.
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Oh I agree, the M1A2, and teh M1A1 HC need to be 12.7 but they never will, we have the Click bait whichis identical to them , if the others moved to 12.7 they would need to.
as well as this the blatant ODLing in american teams leaves the stats of them lower
Okay, ran a test. Both take 17s to reach 68 KM/H. Just the S1 though, others are more than 3t heavier iirc.
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The m1a2 and a1 HC are also heavier no?
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57.2 (M1A1) vs 61.4 for the HC.
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Leclerc S1, S2 and Azur should be 12.3 (with their hull fixed => stronger upper plate, weaker lower plate)
SXXI still lacks the titanium inserts. It and XLR could go up to 12.7, especially if they receive SHARD
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