I can defenitly say that they are competetive at top tier, if someone says they are sh1t or incompetetive then this is rather a skill issue or that person hasnt even played Leclercs
Kinda dumb to put them at 12.7. The leclercs should be 12.0 or 12.3 at most
Nah… Why people think that Leclerc is so bad
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Its not terrible but it is overtiered when you compare to other 12.7s
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It’s worse than the Abrams, yet the same BR.
The only benefit the Leclerc has over the Abrams is the fact that it has no NATO hump, and that it has no turret basket.
For example, you have The Leopard 2A4M at 12.0 with similar round, similar armor, better sights, better termals, commander termals, slightly better gun depression and better survivability
The leclerc has a bit better mobility, better reload and autoloader that can be better in some situations.
Those 2 could share BR. If the leclecrs were 0.3 above that leopard would not be so bad, at 12.7 is just retarded
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When will the Gaijin team start using the OFL 120 F2 for Leclerc? It has already reached 12.7.
The OFL 120 F2 wouldn’t make much of a difference, it is still worse than the dm53 and m829A2
No, they arent
Can the depth of penetration in the game exceed 600 millimeters?
Debatable
For me Leclercs are better then abrams or leopard personaly, and i know what im talking about
explain?
it is like 10 or 20 mm more than the f1 at best, it is not going to be a huge difference
No, and no. Leclerc have much better armor if you comper to this leo. Better mobility, better reliad, same gun handling, not much worse round, and it is pretty survivable. You are wrong here
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OK. I originally thought that F2 would exceed the 600mm mark as the threshold.
They have fixed 5sec reload, better mobility, around the same armor and survivability, and dont have turret busket or anything like that which nerfs them
I miss remembered, the main difference is only due to the change from WHA to DU, it would be basically the same just more pen at distance but not much difference at all
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/I9DlDXIxU79e
Okay, so the Leclerc vs aced crew M1A2 SEP V1 both have a 5s reload, though if the Abrams only has two crew members left, it’s no longer a 5s reload.
The Leclerc also has the commander and gunner on either side, so if the enemy shoots the left cheek, you are still able to shoot.
The mobility on the Leclerc is better, but I’d say not by much (especially when compared to the M1A1 HC and SEP V1 with no TUSK ERA).
And then the no NATO hump and smaller turret ring (no turret basket either but I have no clue how long that will last for).
Survivability difference is questionable (especially because you only get 3 crew members instead of 4 on the Abrams), but I will give you that because of how easy it is to one-shot or completely cripple the Abrams through the turret ring.
But the round for the M1A2 SEP V1 is 629mm instead of 576mm.
That is a big difference, not only in terms of penetration but spalling.
The M1A2 SEP V1 also has much better gun depression (-10 instead of a mediocre -8).
The M1A2 SEP V1 also has much better turret cheek armour, with a stronger breech.
You can get breeched by an IFV, and penned (on either cheeks) by rounds stronger than ~590mm (Basically any Leopard variant at top tier, any Abrams at top tier, the Challenger 3 TD, the Type 10 / TKX, and the Merkava Mk.4s)
That is pretty mediocre armour if you’re suppose to be a top tier MBT.
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I understand you about armor coz it isnt very good and on paper leclerc has much worse armor BUT in reality, in match, 50% of shots i get dont do any damage and the other 50% is rather critical hits or one shots. Survivability is better in battle for leclercs but it is only my expirience. The shell isn’t that important in terms of penetration imo, and OFL 120 F1 has enough penetration and spall to kill any enemy. In other aspects im agreeing
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French player once again proving that they are their own biggest enemy. The least the Arietes stayed lower