Gaijin adding DM53 and M829A2 were mistakes IMO.
When 3BM60 and DTC 125 are the best rounds two nations can get, that should be the standard for all tech trees.
Probably one opinion from game balance perspective that’s likely not popular.
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I see your point, but personally i don’t see big difference between dm33 dm43 and dm55. Obviously this shells are the same in gameplay aspect and, MAYBE, there is a small difference in damage. But yeap, i’m totally fine with OFL F1 which is not that bad as people says. The real problem is, as i said, wrongly modeled armor, and im realy feel kinda upset about this. We can’t make gaijing to do proper armor on Leclerc coz information is classified… And there is a issue with spalliners, like, we have a very old report about this and it was accepted for very long time and there is still no spalliners for Leclerc… But u are right about balance.
Hell no, why Russians and China can get their best ammunition while others can’t.
Also let me remind you there is still M829A3/4 and DM63/73 left to be added.
It’s inevitable that NATO supreme will always come on top.
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lol If that ever happens it’ll be exclusively USA vs USA because all other tech trees will be too low of a BR to join.
Absolutely terrible for game design to allow that.
This is reality, sadly… Gaijing won’t give NATO tanks their best ammunition coz Russia and China already have the best available and there won’t be better shells for them. And of course new shells will be much better then shells we have now but we won’t have them untill Russia will have something better then 3BM60
Tbh if they model Anti-ERA feature current shells will be overpowered as well.
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That is the main problem for Gaijing. If they will do this like it is in reality, then Russia and China will be the worst nations. And Gaijing will never make Russia the worst nation to play, lmao
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Anyway, i still have hope for Gaijing to fix issues with NATO tanks. But this is only me dreaming, in reality we won’t see Leclerc, Ariete, Chally and even M1A2 SEP V2 get fixed and get love from Gaijing…
It wouldn’t make any difference. It’s not like somehow magically it has 500mm extra pen. UFP and turret is still largely not available, u can still pen sides and LFP, which means it makes 0 difference.
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If we are talking about OFL F2 then maybe yea, but if we are speaking about recent shells then the russian era will be useless coz that shells is focused to defeat russian armor. So, you are right about not big difference between 550mm penn and 700mm penn but if we are talking about 800+mm pen then this can be very savage for russian tanks.
But in total you’re right, shells dont make very big diffrence where u will shoot enemys.
And as I said before, the main issue with Leclerc is lack of spalliners and armor which it has in reality and this issu is not only with Leclerc, but solid part of NATO tanks in game
You dont need 800+ penetration for UFP. Anti-Era ability on DM53 can penetrate kontakt-5 equipped T-Series Tank’s UFP up to 2km, same goes for M289A2,Type-10,M338 and L27A1.
Yeah, but for some reason ( hmm, what am i about…) dm53 can’t penetrate kontakt-5 in game, but you’re right. Anyway, there mustn’t be a problem with adding OFL F2 and other shells to war thunder but Gaijing won’t add them coz “russian bias” or whatever alse…
Because Gaijin didnt activate that feature, thats why.
Thats what i try to say, Gaijing dont want russian tanks be helpless… The only thing they are good now is very specific armor which not always helps ( only against noobs or nervous players), and if they do this feature properly now the russian tanks gonna become the worst tanks at top tier. And Gaijing will never do something like that. The only thing i want from them is proper armor for Leclerc and others NATO tanks and moduled spalliners, that’s all at tte moment. Shells is not very big deal tbh…
Well that is if we still use in game values. Russian tanks have also got new armour from this decade, and that is largely unclear to us. As far as research papers go composites on the ufp are still enough to fend off apfsds, + it is impossible to eliminate the effect of ERA, I would say the conclusion hasn’t really changed. U can’t expect to say u have won by beating Russian tanks from the 1980s when newer tech are available, since not every tank will have the newest round either.
which is dependent on which tank. As far as russian tests go they didn’t work as well as u portrayed.
As for Germans tests DM53 was more than enough to capable penetrating Kontakt-5 equipped tanks and considering Russian’s overestimates i highly doubt their result reflects the reality.
Of course, in reality russian tanks didn’t stop in 1980.
I was talking about ingame russian tanks, but for sure you are right here
You are aware that in service is not an rule?
Can u give me the sources. I need to see the report myself since IDK where the germans got a modern Russian tank from.
Yeap, and is there any point of adding Leclerc XLR if Gaijing will fik up its armor too, like Gaijing have done with all Leclercs in game…