If that armor is good enough to stop majority of rounds then there’s exactly zero chances MSC would be left at 11.0 or even at 11.3.
The armour wasnt good enough to stop the majority of rounds though?
it coudl stop almost all the 10.7 omes frontally, most top tier rounds cut clean through it.
You also are igoring the huge one tap shot through the turret face.
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Don’t know the specifics of the armor, but to me it fits better at 10.7 than anywhere else, especially now that Vextra has a better round and is perfectly playable at 10.7.
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What did they do to our poor Leclerc with the latest update ?! Now we can die from ammos explosion while the tank is designed to counter that …
An other stealth nerf ?
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If you mean , the penetrating shot hit the blast door of the bustle loader and you would get ammo rack’d , it’s not really new , albeit it was quite rare since most people would just aim at the upper front plate and pen you there.
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It really doesn’t fit better at 10.7.
They’ve arbitrarily removed all its key factors.
- nerfed mobility.
- nerfed it’s armour
- nerfed it’s thermals
- nerfed its reload
as far as im aware as wel it’s also supposed to be able to fire the F2 round.
this is another prime example of a tank that is A-historical AF just to ram it into a BR it shouldn’t be in .
Give it waht it should have, then base it’s BR off of that.
It would be extremely more fitting for france to get an 11.0 / 11.3 area BR bracket than jump from 10.7 to 12.0, trying ot use and spade a leclerc with 10.7s as back ups xD
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Thermal might be gen 1 or 2. They are not the exact same as on the Leclerc but a prototype of the Athos camera without much info.
The MSC only ever fired the OFL 10 G2 APFSDS, and never fired the F1 nor the F2.
Mobility armor and reload is absolutely fair tho
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right, so why does Shir 2 have access to L23?
why do half the tanks in the game get access to rounds they techically never fired.
The MSC can fire the F1 round it just never did .
Kinda like how the 2a4 is arbitrarily limited to DM23 ( at least IRL it fired more modern rounds)
Not saying they should be, but as far as ive seen the MSC had gen 2 or close to gen 2 thermals (we dont have the incrimental variations of thermals in game)
The thermals are somewhere between gen1 and 2 , this is partially dependent on which tank you look at cause now the thermals actually varies on the pixel count.
Heavily preferred as to receiving an extra part of the turret drive that is mounted to the hull floor.
The new turret baskets make any penetrating hit to the hull of the Leopard 2 or Abrams almost 100% guaranteed to take out the horizontal drive.
Also, I’ve finally unlocked the MSC and I can say it’s an amazing 10.7 vehicle; it’s armor is surprisingly resilient compared to the production leclercs (whose armor is not lmao)
It’s almost kind of like the Leclercs would perform massively better if their UFP’s were properly modeled like the MSC’s is…
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« Properly »… the MSC UPF is still far from what the Leclerc UFP should be. It should be around 600-650mm KE, with the driver port at around 250-300mm
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Got a stat for that?
It’s not that its a bad tank, its the fact its absolutely nothing like it should be.
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Thats my point,
The MSC as well as leclercs are miles from what they should actually be
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No stats but from my experience if there’s any spall* in the hull of an Abram’s it’s bound to get its turret drive. It’s not as remiable when there’s no spall* (so a third of the Leclerc round or smaller caliber auto cannons)
MSC is not worst than it should be I believe, just got the stats in the wrong places lol - armor instead of firing rate
Leclerc is just such an annoying issue I simply gave up personally
In my experience with the abrams it survives more now than it ever used to.
racked up a few hundred games since the turret rings were introduced
its thermals are wrong,
reload
armour
and last I cehcked its mobility is wrong as well.
Personally id rather see it get what it should have, then a BR to reflect that (as how the game should be balanced, not nerfed arbtirarily to be forced into a bracket)
they cant even use the excure it would sit on its own, the fking TKX (P) now is the only 11.7 japanese tank, (an anti air only SPAA doesn’t count as a lineup)
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Got a stat for that?
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Go into protection analysis and select ANY shell that is able to frontally penetrate the Leopard 2 or M1 Abram’s hull, and then just click around the hull. Literally every single penetrating hit will take out the horizontal drive.
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Simply play the game and experience for yourself that any penetrating hit to the Leopard 2’s/Abram’s hull immediately takes out your horizontal.
Replying with the “GoT a StAt FoR tHaT?” does nothing except make you look like both an idiot and a snarky prick who will contest even the most commonly known game knowledge that is proven by just playing the game…
It’s not that its a bad tank, its the fact its absolutely nothing like it should be.
I never said it was accurate, I just said it is a good tank in it’s current implementation.
I spent literal days searching for documents on the AMX-40’s missing turret composites, but the AMX-40 is STILL a very good tank right now.
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Again, thermal there’s just not enough info yet.
As for mobility, it’s probably good. It doesn’t use the same transmission as the Leclerc, despite sharing its name. It’s actually the same as the AMX40, and prototype of the Leclerc transmission with one less gear. It also means it has less issue with the automatic transmission as the Leclercs, so it’s more mobile in game. Does it still miss some extra maneuverability completely depends on a top tier mobility rework from gaijin tho, since there’s not enough datapoints on the MSC to actually say if its mobility is good or not
No way in hell that would stay at 11.0 or 11.3.
Ive had hundreds of games between me leopard 2’s and Abram’s since the update.
well you are stating shit without any actual factual evidence of it.
Doesn’t make me look stupid to ask someone to provide some evidence for a claim xD
Okay? and?
People spent hundreds of pounds, weeks of effort and time in searching for and proving many things about challanger 2.
Chieftain as well has had reports sitting for years
Abrams,
leopards
etc what is your point here?
Type 90 sits at 11.3 mate, with better armour, mobility, reload and same thermals. and a better round.
Maybe and just maybe, ground RB needs a full fking overhaul? cause this shit is just stupid now
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