Underperforming armor/thermals, subpar reload, Mobilty etc.
Wanna go on?
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You seemingly forgot to read the 10.7 part of my message.
I still need to know why MSC is “overBRed piece of crap” at it’s current BR of 10.7.
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I simply think that its UFP armor is 400 mm NERA but not 500 mm. I don’t think they changed it after the update.
But we can see that this armor is functional and not buggy like the Leclerc’s.
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Exactly this ! it has a better upper front plate than the current Leclerc S1, S2, AND S21 too, it’s unbelievable :
And it’s all around the upper front plate, it’s like they didn’t even put any armor on the Leclerc and they did it only on the MSC, it’s just broken.
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That is thanks to the better angle of the MSC’s UFP.
The Leclerc is incredibly well designed but the MSC’s UFP angle was better than the production Leclercs.
Supposedly, the reason for that change is to favor hull down performance. The production Leclercs’ UFP in hull down position will autobounce more consistently than the MSC.
Still … The 10.7 MSC has better hull armor than the productions Leclerc, which just simply shouldn’t be a thing lol.
3BM42 which is common around 10.0 can still go right through the MSC no problem, and Leclerc ufp cant even stop 3BM22 which is absolutely ridiculous
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No.
CR2 only lags behind in mobility and GH. CR2 has turret armor resistant to top tier rounds, a better UFP and LFP against full-calibre cannons, as well as way better firepower even with L27 removed. Not to mention the CR2’s way better survivability.
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The MSC is still a fantastic 10.7. Its a light tank labelled as a medium. Play it like that.
This is a horrible take. The new T-72B3A is the worst top tier MBT. Ask ANY good player.
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I still don’t see what’s the big deal with MSC, it looks to be a 2A4 side-grade which is perfectly fine for 10.7.
I think the fact no one speaks about it on this forum speaks volumes.
This forum jumps on everything even remotely good if it’s added to RU, so seeing little to no fuss about it makes me think it’s poopoo.
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Pretty much. Its now the second best 10.7, which isn’t surprising considering being better than the 2A4 is a really high bar.
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The reason the armor on the Leclercs ingame is bad is because, and you won’t believe this, the Leclercs have bad armor irl
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how is 68° better angle than 74° ? Better angle means more armor effectively no ?
If you want i can give you Leclerc S211 with the same angle of the MSC :
You get 185mm vs 366mm for the MSC with the same shell. It’s clearly because they didn’t model the armor of the UFP
At this point you’d think Gaijin would see this thread and decide to take action. They could make good money on a good top tier for france, they just added a new top tier premium to grind the tree with. After years I’m starting to really think they have an anti french tree bias.
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The layout is different with the MSC having more angled internal plates and an extra one for the top of the ufp its not just the angle of the top layer of RHA. Why would they go with an inferior armor layout on the production model? Is this even accurate? I’m sure I don’t know.
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Can anyone give me a logical answer?
Because how can you go from 562 mm to 427 mm on the same portion of armor, which is normally homogeneous?
I made a bug report because the speed of the MSC is not good as it has the same transmission and engine power as the production Leclercs Community Bug Reporting System
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hum akshualy the transmission is not the exact same. The gear number is different from the available sources.
While the do share the same name, looks like the MSC got a pre standard variant, which is the same as the AMX40
Please refrain from commenting on a topic on which you know nothing about. 😀
You’re right, I wasn’t clear. Higher angle always means more armor. As @OriginalCrispy said, the MSC’s case is however the exception because this different angle changes the geometry so to add an additional armor plate!
IIRC, this thread was created because we were told by Smin that, to get the Leclerc buffed, we would basically need to do the same as the Sweden players did to get a new shell on STRV-122s about 2 years ago (even though it was already the best performing MBT at the time), by whining about the issue on the forums, or should I say create a thread with a high amount of views and regular comment about these issues. This thread is now one of the most visited in the Ground section but we were lied to as usual when it come to France Ground so yeah …
Unless the Leclercs performances sink, we’re not getting any buff anytime soon.
Sorry but your screenshots are too small to see what you’re talking about …
But the answer is : don’t overthink it, Gaijin half-assed the Leclerc armor so it doesn’t really makes sense.
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So, would it be useful to submit new bug reports on the Leclerc’s armor?
Because the MSC is proving to us that it could solve some of the problems related to the Leclerc’s UFP armor bug.
I had already reported several bugs, but they were ignored despite the evidence.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3OYYIJZ3sync
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/f0Z2qMBo2GwX
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