The Leclerc is in dire need of a buff

  • Germany, tho it’s in reality everyone with an F-16 or Mig-29.
  • Sweden with Strv 122.
  • Tiger UHT for Germany.
    CAS OP benefits everyone other than USSR & Sweden.

@FIRE-EAGLE21

Yet Gaijin will continue to care about France, and do things. AMX 30 Super is not a France-only vehicle. It’s a German upgrade program, and happened years prior to the SK-105 addition.

It’s clear Magazines weren’t as enough as primary source documents would be.
Gotta prove with docs that the armor is what we think it is.

@Mobius_Einherjar

That bounce was an 85 degree angle after penning, which shatters the round normally into dozens of pieces. It checks out, I see no bug present, just an unfortunate angle allowing someone to shoot in that manner.

Yeah no sorry, I’m not having any of that. The shell hit almost horizontally to the armor and somehow still managed to pen, but once it’s inside that’s when it decides to bounce instead of exiting? Nah, screw that. That shouldn’t be happening on an MBT, it’s completely unreasonable.
And that’s not even mentioning the spall being once again a problem.

The Leclerc is pretty much the only top tier tank that would’ve died to such a shot and that needs to change.

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Reduced pen on a high-angle roof. That’s realistic.
Abrams would’ve died to that shot due to having an even shallower roof. In-fact…

The video which was send don’t actually show the 3 sec reload… By the way Gaijin doesn’t seem to accept Oral proof as they said an interview from a Leclerc commander isn’t trustable

For Gaijin, all French documents are not reliable, it’s funny all the same, when it comes to France, even the best documents are not reliable enough, but when it comes to Russian material, oddly the standards of accuracy are much more lax…

And in this video, we would say an excerpt from a documentary, if that’s the case, it’s not just a testimony from a Leclerc commander, it’s a testimony from a Leclerc commander, check. AMX is not allowed to leave a documentary told with false information…

Moreover, to say that a testimony from a commander of Leclerc is not admissible is as if Gaijin asked for electrical advice and refused those given by an electrician… Gaijin and the very example of bad faith and of the contradictions, the worst is that some player defends Gaijin in this direction…

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Nope. Soviet documents are held to the same standard.
Soviet magazines have never been used in a bug report even.
Soldier testimony isn’t admissible because there’s a lot of soldiers out there that would gladly give false reports on their equipment.

Hey… when we talk about the wolf, he’s pointing the end of his tail…

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So according to you AMX would have accepted bad information in a documentary?

It’s a valid concern, cause if they allow documentaries they have to allow all documentaries.

I watch a Russian documentary on T-90M saying it can resist M829A3.
Is that accurate?
Inaccurate claims are possible, and documentaries aren’t held to the same standard in law as forced-honesty documents are.

Dude, that doesn’t answer my question…

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The testimony of the French Leclerc’s commander was during an interview with Xavier Tytelman during a meeting… I think, even more during a meeting, a french Leclerc commander wouldn’t lie about a part of the tank… He is mentionning the presence of ERA on the box outside the turrel…

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Moreover, a “good” documentary is an excellent source of information, only an idiot would oppose it…

Good thing I never said he lied.
I said that documentary narratives around the world can have false information, so it’s better to reject them all because it causes less work to explain to American & Russian mains that their documentary on T-90A & M1 Abrams [examples, not confirmed] has false information in it.

It’s faster to verify government documents.

Instead tonnes text, one small digression also related to France

There have been several reports of increase rate of fire for Char 25t and AMX M4 (they should be reloaded same way as Lorraine 40t and AMX-50 (TOA100)) As result, they were not accepted due to “rate of fire is a balance value”

If they don’t care about mid-tier (most popular in French tech tree), then they don’t care less about top-tier. While neither Char 25t nor AMX M4 has any high efficiency (of advantages only high mobility)

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So there is basically an unfairness toward all nation except USSR which have its document declassified…
In other words, it is easier for USSR to report bug = unfair

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Do yall know how much time moderators take to accept or decline a suggestion post on the forum?

Not a clue, sry

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I’ve seen no bug reports speaking on the missing first stage ammo.
Nor comparisons of the model.

@fergui3101
Okay… and?
It’s not Gaijin’s fault Soviets collapsed & other countries are so secretive about armor.

I’m not saying it is Gaijin’s fault, however there is still an unfairness toward all other nation

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Then why didn’t it result in a bounce instead of penetrating in the first place?

This almost 90 degrees here. It should have been a ricochet.

Either high angle should result in a ricochet or a penetration in both cases, but not both at the same time.

And you know what the worst part is? I just discovered that this bloody fuel tank doesn’t even exist IRL


Absolutely not, an Abrams would’ve bounced that shot. And even if it hadn’t, 4 crew members vs 3 means that it would’ve survived losing 2 crews.

Which can’t be done for vehicle still in service for obvious reasons, so the standard has to be lower for those.

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