Remember same goes for autoloaders as well.
Gaijin models every loading system with optimal conditions, this includes stationary position.
Last but not least Fire Rate is a soft balancing method.
Yeah, funny how American documents show that up to 25km/h the reload is only around 5.3s for the 105mm. For the 120mm, it would be closer to 7 seconds in terms of sustained reload (which is what is supposed to be considered). And then when tanks like the Vextra 105 or the AMX 40 actually have loader assistance Gaijin says “nuh uh take the slowest reload we can offer”.
The whole point of the Leclerc autoloader was to be able to maintain a 5 second reload irrespective of movement. 99% of sources agree upon of this.
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Never mentioned about Leclerc in case you didnt noticed, you also forgetting barrel must be aligned with loading mechanism which actually reduces the fire rate for almost every tank on move.
I’d say current reload times for all tanks are pretty much balanced, Leclerc family needs buff on other areas instead of fire rate (such as armor, better Shell,proper mobility etc).
You referred to autoloaders in general. Seeing as it is a Leclerc thread, I assumed you were also talking about the Leclerc. Yes, the breech does need to align with the autoloader but this is at a most tenths of a second process.
Eh, the reason the Abrams has an ahistorical reload is to align with the faster RoFs of autoloaders and the CR2. Personally, I don’t think reload should be a ‘balance factor’. Autoloaders (especially fast ones) are overall better than a manual loader IRL (ignoring logistics) - this should be represented as such in a historical manner in-game.
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I wouldnt call this ahistorical considering there are countless footages that shows experienced Abrams/Leopard loader can load new shell in 3 seconds consistently.
More likely i was reffering that every tank needs to do that and therefore if this process get model in this game some Tanks will get hurt from it.
Well me neither but Gaijin doesnt shares the same opinion with us.
Many things doesnt get real life representments, considering we got our historical ROF for our Leclerc’s i’d say thats one less thing to worry about.
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Unfortunately, keeping in line with the “realism” side of things, I don’t see much Gaijin can do to jack up the Leclerc. It has its game-specific design flaws, no doubt, but this is more a matter of France improving it IRL. This situation is starting to feel like the Ariete’s TBH.
I don’t know about “consistently”. There’s an American document I’ll attach later. It states that up to a speed of 25km/h, the sustained reload was about 5.3 seconds. But no one really knows at what speed the devs take into account sustained reload (if at all). But it could be an interesting (if not controversial) feature if the Abrams could reload within 3 seconds for 3-4 rounds while stationary then revert to 8rds/min when mobile…
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Leclercs saw many improvements over their lifetime, including to armour. The Series 1 armour (which was deemed insufficient for French service) was found to be comparable to the Challenger 2 (~500 KE). Then there were 2 tonnes of armour added for the S2, then about another tonne for the SXXI. The latter 2 are missing a decent amount of composite. Not to mention the crew compartment should be invulnerable to 30mm autocannon.
The mobility is also egregiously under-performing. On top of that, thermals should be better for the S2 and SXXI. There is also SHARD to be given.
And if they ever modelled FCS, the Leclerc would be far ahead of almost everything.
So yeah, the Leclerc IRL is fine. How it’s modelled in-game… not so much.
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Not every. In strv 103 and oscillating turrets the cannon breech stays at the same place relative to the autoloader.
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Yea and most of them arent part of modern armies anymore.
Considering we were debating about top Tier Tanks i dont see the point why should’ve i mention about those Tanks.
Because it seamed to me like you were talking about all vehicles in general.
Besides not every autoloader in the game fires as fast as it can IRL just take type 10 as an example. And in case of Leclerc some sources about its reload also mention that 10-12 rmp is “effective” or “sustained” reload rate so not in optimal conditions. Some even claim the theoretical to be up to 15 rpm.
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90 percent of the time i refer top Tier vehicles due to not having interest to lower Tier stuff, sorry if it wasnt clear enough.
Thats why fire rate is known and soft balancing material, Gaijin use this as an balancing factor.
Well i guess wait for BeNeLux ground force for France to get some Leopard 2 seem Leclerc are not going anywhere
In before france gets a 2a6am3, which is better modelled then the 2a7v
I also wish for 2A7 armor get fix well i know it good enough but still pissed me off every i see it
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I would like to see a live reaction to the avergae German player if the AM3 is better modeled then 2A7V.
the joke is, its highyl questionable if france should get them
netherlands dont own any AM3s, they are all german with german license plates and everything owned just dutch use them as part of the fused forces
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1:53 is a perfect example of how shitty the Lecler’s armor is.
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So sad to read things like that and to see the state of this tank in WT.
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unnecessary addition that might even delay leclerc fixes.
I’m not even sure french main like the BeNeLux subtree addition, at least i don’t.
Hope the leak list is fake on that part
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