I’m specifically mentioning the IRIS, because the way it was sourced and explained is basically the same as Russian thermals, but with about 4-5x as much sources.
choccers, as Russia uses a lot of French based thermal imagers
(And yet have better optics than France in game)
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No it’s been forwarded as a suggestion so we close them on the CBR but they stay open internally.
Suggestion → acknowledged tag added + closed, fixed tag added when suggestion is implemented.
Bug → acknowledged tag added + open, closed and fixed tag added after fix is confirmed in production.
That’s the point; I had pulled 4+ primary sources to get Gaijin to fix DM43(A1)'s velocity (second attempt btw, my first was in July of 2021), and I got told that the developers think 1740 m/s is only achievable with the L/55 (based on ???), but the same goddamn round is capable of flying at 1790 m/s from an L/52 of the Leclerc.
Hillarity ensued in the comments where I had to pull up actual data on the propellant used by both DM43 & DM53 in order to convince Bowie to forward it, because apparently a Bundeswehr website, Rheinmetalls website, and GDLS’ website weren’t enough (former, the designer of the projectile, and the latter a producer of it under license):
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jyWW3cdU9BRm
For the laughs.
The amount of work we have to do in order to be treated the same way Russian players and their vehicles do is honestly depressing.
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T-90M was nerfed yesterday… and gen 1 can’t be one generation above gen 1…
On top of that, T-90M, T-80BVM, Leopard 2PL, and so forth were given gen 3 based on new discoveries about thermal generations which are all sound. All had gen 2 prior to the discoveries that Gaijin made.
It’s not obscure, it’s thermal imagers and their nuances.
I can’t give links on educational material about thermal imagers at this time, so all I can say is they’re out there for reading/listening.
And after finding them they’ll say the same thing one of the staff members said: “Gen 3 isn’t inherently a resolution upgrade. But also encompasses detection range improvements, and general clarity of picture.”
War Thunder represents that as a resolution difference cause that seems to be how Gaijin knows how they can represent gen 3 currently.
This isn’t true. More than anything else, 3rd generation systems are just low-cost, smaller package thermal imagers. The whole reason countries transitioned to 3rd gen systems in the first place was because it made it possible to put thermal binoculars into service on a large-scale.
For the longest time, high performance 2nd generation systems out-performed high-performance 3rd gen systems. You can read all about it here: Community Bug Reporting System [it’s not as if pretty much the whole report is citing primary sources :) ]
I believe this is quoting (or at least paraphrasing) the esteemed David Bowie. Yeah, he has zero understanding lol (he likes to think he does)
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Gen 1 hurts my eyes :(
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I am aware of the resolution differences between IRL and in-game representations at the time.
It’s possible I’m forgetting a few technologies from AMX-30B2 to Type 10, certainly.
Of course witnessing the clarity of thermal imaging in-person and trying to represent that image in video game form in an accurate manner is really difficult. [I only got to see Stryker’s thermal imager IRL personally.]
I don’t know how Gaijin, or any dev for that matter, can represent thermals without using higher resolutions with these fairly limited visual features; cause even DCS does it this way.
And yes, it’s a paraphrase cause I can’t remember exact wording, just the specific details of the statement that matter; usually how my memory goes for things.
And that’s exactly why France thermals need to be buffed. Aside from being « gen « , gen »2 » or whatever, their detection and identification ranges are usually far above everyone else for the « same generation », with the IRIS having better DRI ranges in 1998 than even the German thermals in 2013
That’s not entirely accurate. The research paper is from 2013 not the actual thermal imagers discussed. In any case it’s only the ‘megapixel’ 3rd generation TI that achieves better (although in some cases still comparable) performance. The former case does include the ATTICA M (or called something a rather) from the 2010s (?). But Thales described it best: 3rd generation technology for high-performance FLIRs is nothing more than a “fashion effect”. There’s a reason SAGEM decided to make the leapfrog to the 4th generation technology in the early 2000s and they’ve achieved outstanding success in this area.
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Hey. I am making use of the fact that traction about unresolved bug reports for the Leclerc is picking up again.
Do you have any information about if the Leclerc will have it’s own forum post with response from the devs about the dozen of acknowledged bug reports that have been sitting in limbos (since the introduction of the Leclerc S1 for some)?
I think the size of this thread and the number of bug reports made for the Leclercs completely warrant this, as one was made for the Challenger with similar interest at the time.
I think it would be nice for once to have at least a hint that the devs do care, even just a little, about France top tier ground.
At least I hope you can convey this feeling, that I and many, many others, have about the sad situation the Leclerc has been in for the past couple of years
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something something “Bug reports are still under review. They don’t believe the primary sources are accurate. They are now searching for contradictory info to reject the bug report instead of accept it’s true.”
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Erm…um…“We Believe”…
If you squint hard enough the Leclerc looks like a T-90M…therefore it can’t be better in any way
“Not a Bug”…
Leclercs have higher then average statistics…therefore…eat shit
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Hello
We very much are following this thread and raising the constructive feedback within as well as updating the reports wherever possible.
As you can see by the responses following, your post, its unlikely such a post would be of positive and constructive use as some already have pre-set opinions that sadly wont change no matter how much we aim to explain the reasoning behind certain topics or any progress or developments within them.
Those sorts of topics take a considerable amount of time to prepare and a lot of developer work. So we always aim to do them when there is A) sufficient new information to deploy and speak of, bringing new answers or explaining things that have otherwise not already been explained B) a serious desire and requirement for one where there would be a constructive out come and a good reception too it.
If we do indeed reach a point where there is sufficient content to cover a full articles worth, it is for sure something that will be taken into consideration. However at the current stage, the focus is on resolving the individual issues and deploying live answers as and when they come in from the developers to those reports.
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Thanks for the answer. I can’t say that I am not disappointed by this response tho. I started really going deep diving in the Leclerc about a year ago now, and despite the numerous reports, many of them with primary sources, I have not seen much relevant changes, aside from the turret rotation and reload buff, that only happened after significant backlash and/or to follow buffs of other vehicles (the Abram’s reload).
I know that many staff to watch this thread, from community managers and tech mods, and actively participate in it for some. Actually, most reports on the CBR do get passed to devs rather quickly, in days if not hours in most cases for well researched and explained bugs.
However, I have to say I feel like that is not followed being by the devs. We often mention bugs being in limbo, and I understand that devs have loads of work to do, beside bug reports, and even within bug reports their are hundreds of issues.
However I and many others have felt that there is a clear, and I’d even say, deliberate lack of interests from the devs with the Leclerc specifically.
Indeed, in the year or so of Leclerc bugs reports I have participated in, I have seen many other vehicles worked on by the same bug reporters, with similar issues, sources, explanations… being implemented in just weeks or maybe a month or two, while the Leclerc did not get anything beside a start card change and 2 buffs that followed clear backlash from the community.
I now just have the feeling that devs just look at the stats of the Leclerc, then the bug reports, before simply moving them to the bin or the « limbo folder », never to be seen again.
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I can assure you this is for sure not the case. Leclerc has many fewer open reports than something like the Challenger 2 or Abrams for example. Many have been actioned, and whilst its appreciated not all of them have been resolved, its handled in the same way (and no differently) to any other nations top MBTs in terms of report actions.
Much like with the Challenger for example, its also sometimes the case that issues are resolved in batches and reviewed within a period of each other whenever plans and schedules also allow.
Anything that can be done sooner wherever possible if all the information is clear and present is generally aimed to do so.
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Alright. Thanks for the answer.
I do hope however that one of these batch issue resolving thingy could be coming soon, as the Leclerc (and it’s not the only one in this case) is truly not a great vehicle at top tier, as France is basically getting carried by it’s powerful CAS vehicles, with the Leclerc being at best uninteresting compared to many, if not most MBTs at the BR. And it could be much more unique with more polishing
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I also wouldn’t accept the manufacturers website they are trying to sell the item. Would you trust NII Stalis website for the efficacy of Relikt ERA?
This is the game we wanted, things are classified Gaijin does things for balance or to promote other Nations. France like Britain aren’t key nations.
Last thing done to the Challenger was a mobility nerf…Cool to see the devs ignoring the bug reports in favour of how to make the vehicle more miserable.
At this point the Russian devs do what they want and mods like you Smin just have to try and justify (the nonsense) and placate the rightly frustrated player base.
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At this point I simply refuse to play the challenger 2s
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What, how?