They don’t use excuses, and they never address win rates because that’s classified information.
They’re not going to indicate win rates of vehicles as that could lead to players doing matchmaking manipulation.
Leclerc ain’t moving around cause of its win rate.
Oh don’t worry I know. Earlier this thread, I linked to a video of Spookston, a high profile community contributor, saying that he gave official documents from the US army about the Bulldog proving that gaijin were wrong and they still chose to ignore it.
But even if the chances are slim, it’s stil technically our best shot at getting the changes we want.
I’m also in favor of adding the Leclerc UAE as a squadron vehicle as I proposed the same thing earlier in the thread since France is long overdue a squadron vehicle, but I doubt it’ll have a significant effect on the win rates. Ultimately the people who’ll play the Leclerc UAE are people who are grinding/intend to grind the French tree in the first place, so it’s essentially the same pool of players as the current one.
Technically speaking, the best way to demonstrate that the Leclerc is underperforming would be to get people who don’t play France but other nations, like Russia or Germany for example, to play the Leclerc. Then gaijin would see how much the Leclerc underperforms compared to its peers.
But the only way of doing that would be to add the Leclerc UAE to the Russian or German tree instead of the French one, and that’s a no go for everyone.
They have repeatedly denied changes to vehicles on the basis that said vehicles performs “fine”, so it’s at the very least their main criteria for implementing a change or not.
Last example to date would be the pantsir, which according to them perform as well as systems using the VT1s so they refuse to nerf it.
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Yes, perform. Not win matches, perform. Meaning all data connected to performance.
And yes, Pantsir does perform, but you can only hit slow moving targets with Pantsir.
though the ito is far more vulnerable all you need to do is sit within 3-4km of it and there is nearly nothing it can do
No, win rate is mostly an indication of team skill, especially in multi-spawn modes.
Leclerc isn’t where it is due to win rate.
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Seems like once again you didnt understand what you read in the first place.
Read again and try to understand this time, otherwise you’re gonna start another conversation that will lead us nowhere except wasting time.
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The VT1 is even worse off than the pantsir in that front so I don’t buy that claim from gaijin.
This is only partly true. Vehicle performance impact win rates directly and indirectly:
-Directly: This one’s pretty straightforward: If a vehicle is overpowered, you’re simply more likely to win because you will likely have a K/D ratio higher than a balanced vehicle
-Indirectly: You’re not the only person on your team. If a vehicle is overpowered then it’ll be popular with the playerbase, which means that it’ll see widespread use, which will lead to a win rate increase.
We’re seeing it with the T-80BVM, we saw it with the Leo2A6 (or was it 2A5? Can’t remember), we saw it with the Puma when it was 8.3, etc…
So yeah, vehicle performance and win rates correlates.
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If a vehicle is OP, the player will get significantly more kills & kill assists with it than other vehicles of the same BR. [Sometimes there are exceptions]
It’s why I call Jadgpanzer IV OP as an example, but none of the top tanks are OP.
And no, we don’t see winrates, we’re not staff.
@totolescargo
I have died zero times to Pantsirs at top BRs ground, and will continue not to die to them.
BTW, insulting everyone that wants Leclerc improved by calling us names isn’t going to help anything.
My M1A1 HC and T-80BVM have similar win rates & similar KDRs, but in this case BVM is clearly superior to the HC with a superior armor layout & gunner thermal.
It’s also why I’ve stated I have a skill issue in Leclerc and M1A2 SEP, but only think Leclerc has an issue namely with its armor.
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Smin said before that the reason the Leclerc wasn’t receiving any buffs is because it’s performing much better than the other MBTs at its tier.
So are the Leclercs OP, or are they an “exception” ?
Quick reminder that all the other vehicles of the French tech tree also suffer from the same syndrome, which is why they’re always a BR or two too high compared to what BR they should really be at.
Maybe it’s time to stop only looking at how a vehicle “performs” to change it.
All of this arguments stems from the fact that someone used “winrate” instead of “performance” … All in the end for you to admit the Leclerc’s armor is underperforming.
Next time, please keep the constructive part of the argument and get rid of the rest
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I unfortunately don’t have the necessary sources to make a bug report, so if I do it it’s 100% certain that it’ll be rejected unfortunately.
But if you have them, feel free to pass them to me and I’ll write the reports.
Fair enough.
The T-80BVM (and top tier Russia as whole) absolutely overperforms, that’s really not up for debate. Even unicums community contributors says so. Timestamped videos:
(That was 11 months ago BTW, nothing’s changed since)
We don’t need to see the overall win rates to know that certain nations overperforms at certain BR, there are some things that you can just see through your own personal experience.
And even then, we do have Thunderskills. Yes, it’s a biased sample since people that use it are probably the more hardcore/tryhard part of the player base, but it can still give some insight in how different nations compares to each other at certain BR.
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I mean it doesn’t help I haven’t been playing my Leclerc much since obtaining it.
Yeah, I’ve had bursts, but I’ve also been getting other tech trees, dealing with ground battles burnout from the end of large maps. There was a time when I’d get Red Desert with Leclerc 4 times in one day and decimate enemy teams, but that doesn’t happen anymore.
As for BRs of French vehicles… I don’t really see it, and it’s not part of this.
@Mobius_Einherjar
People having so much skill they can get T-80BVM to the results they get to like they do is impressive.
To think a more armored Leclerc S1 without protected ammo is decimating matches is hilarious to me, especially since I perform the exact same in T-80BVM as I do other tech trees 11.7s & 11.3s.
can they still match it with a dead loader?
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They weren’t being skilled in those videos though, they did things that were pretty absurd because they knew they could take it with a BVM. Spookston said so himself “I was playing like absolute garbage and still getting way more kills than I ever should have”.
Doing the same thing with any other tank (except maybe a Strv 122, and even then I’m not convinced) would have resulted in death. Especially in a Leclerc.
Can a Leclerc survive having two dead crews?
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At no point whatsoever did Spookston mention America in that video. Saying that Russia overperforms literally impact every other nations. If he wanted to buff America he would just… make a video where America looks weak instead.
He also doesn’t claim to be a an “self-proclaimed American bias man”, it’s just that American vehicles are what he’s the most interested in. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s going to be biased towards American vehicle’s performance in game or be irrational about it.
You’re accusing him of being biased when he’s showing none in that video.
He’s also a significant better player than either you or me, so I’d say that him calling it out certainly carries some weight.
And even if you don’t want to take his word for it, you can just, you know, watch the footage. There’s plenty in this video that you’d only be able to with top tier Russia. And none of the shot he tanked with the BVM would’ve been possible in a Type 10.
Yeah sure, people who plays Russia just happens to be so much better than every other nations in game, it’s just a coincidence and not due to them having busted vehicles and lineup.
The things I read in this thread at times…🙄
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…Are you serious right now? The most recurring complaints about BVM besides the ERA acting as a black hole and the low spalling is the ammunition rarely exploding even when struck directly. There’s literally an example of it in Spookston’s vid.
And that “more armored” is way underselling the difference in survivability between the BVM and the Leclerc. There’s a world of difference between the two. The BVM is easily the most survivable tank at top tier. Leclerc is one of the worst.
And your “objective” comparison is forgetting things like the difference in turret traverse, thermals, ammo choice and MGs (which makes a world of difference in fighting off helis).
I can’t deal with your posts anymore. I genuinely can’t.
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A Leclerc would have died already in that hypothesis so that’s exactly the issue.
You get the same reload for less survivability. So what’s even the point ?
Just ignore him man. He admitted a few comments earlier that there the BVM is superior to the M1A1 HC. But now he’s bouncing more rounds with Type 10. He isn’t even making sense lmao
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yes yes!
the powder bags don’t explode but the apfsds shells are exploding when you hit several of them (like 3+)but the amount of times i just see powder bags turn black and disappear is wild
if it wasn’t, the lack of spall wouldn’t be such an issue in my opinion
Might as well post again since Modius & I are the only real ones staying on topic.
Leclerc’s armor needs improved.
IDK why this statement has people claiming I’m a troll.
Apparently they think Leclerc’s armor doesn’t need improved, and Modius & I are just here lying or something.
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