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So now, the next steps should be UFP and turret armor, and this tank could finally be playable.
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Finally
Amazing guys! Congratulations to everyone of you who work hard on finding sources and making reports so we can have vehicles fixed/balanced 🎊
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Yaaay! This and the sound are great changes! This will help the Leclerc in the fight!
Now there’s a lot more we can and should do. Even with the armor, I’d be pushing it further. Because while the top machines may get through everything, with better estimates, they will not and lower BR vehicles don’t have it as easy. That’s why this should be still a priority.
And can we please get into the entire camouflage situation? I don’t see it as fair or accurate if I have to pay 10€ just to get the authentic French camoulage on my S2 Leclerc while the others still got the camos from the 50s. There has to be a way to get these ingame, even with the more modern, freaky tech ass brown ones. That’ll give France some chicque and just more accuracy.
And priority number 1 should be the fuel tanks. And on this note, can I just mention how insane the situation is that we have a formula 1 driver who actually is pronounced exactly the same way as this tank, meaning whenever you type in “Char Leclerc” you get a ton of images of “Charles Leclerc” because in France we do not care about them last letters, but write them for national pride :D
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I don’t see it as fair or accurate if I have to pay 10€ just to get the authentic French camoulage on my S2 Leclerc while the others still got the camos from the 50s.
the “brun terre de france” camouflage would be good too because it is the current camouflage of the French army, as we can see here with the Leclerc XLR
MERCI to everyone who made possible this buff !
The leclerc is finally playable, he needs some buffs to be at the level of the latest tanks released but we are on the right track.
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WOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAHHHHHH BABY LET’S GOOOOOOOO. XD finally
Now it’s the lerc zur
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well ill be damned didnt think id see this day. An actual buff?! Oh my, oh my…
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leclerc A tiers now?
well … its had alil buff … kinda nullified by the now 5 second abrams reload tho.
well … its had alil buff … kinda nullified by the now 5 second abrams reload tho
You need an aced crew to have a 5s reload in the M1s.
Regardless you guys are now acting like US mains when they got their improved reload, how isn’t this a big buff regardless of anything else.
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Leclerc should have always have had a 5 second reload since it can sustain it irrespective of movement unlike the Abrams which only got a 5 second reload because US mains are just bad.
Only now is the Leclerc is somewhat on par with the M1A1HC which sits 0.3 BR lower. Leclercs still need their mobility fixed (they should be by far the most mobile tank in the game - Type 10 might be better but we can’t know for sure), they still have a worse round than the M1A1HC, and the Leclerc’s armour is still worse than the M1A1HC.
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Leclerc should have always have had a 5 second reload since it can sustain it irrespective of movement unlike the Abrams which only got a 5 second reload because US mains are just bad.
Well I apologise ahead of time but I have to answer this off topic.
The M1s current reload speed also should have always been what it currently is, to even become a US tank crew member you must pass the Tank Crew Gunnery Skills Test of which the maximum allowed reload speed is 7s.
People seem to forget Gaijin actually interviewed a former USMC M1 tanker:
Practically, a good loader aims for a 4 second reload. And truly exceptional loaders can do it in as low as 3 seconds. Personally, my loaders could all beat 5 seconds even under the most arduous conditions.
I would say the M1s reload is pretty fair except for high speeds (in regards to whether it was possible), Gaijin even acknowledged in that interview which was almost 4 years ago now, that the M1s reload may change.
This “claim” however is also confirmed by actual US testing i.e. they also state movement doesn’t overall actually affect reload speed (unless going way to bloody fast of course):
I understand why French mains are overall still disappointed as there are many things that need to be addressed, but the 5s autoloaded reload was a pretty big buff imo and people seem to be downplaying it like the US players were.
I personally am now looking forward to playing them even more, but hey maybe that’s just me.
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Loaders loaded as quickly when the tank was moving (at approximately 12 mph) as when it was stationary
12 mph (20 km/h) is a little bit different to the 50 or so km/h the Leclerc has been seen driving at whilst maintaining a 5 second reload. Really, the Leclerc is stated as being able to reload within 5 seconds at 90 km/h but there’s no footage of this.
Practically, a good loader aims for a 4 second reload. And truly exceptional loaders can do it in as low as 3 seconds
Leclerc can reload in less than 3 seconds under operator demand. But really, the whole point here is that the Abrams can’t sustain a reload of 3 or 4 seconds nevermind doing so whilst driving at over 50 km/h.
→ there was a 5 second reload on dev server
→ 5 second reload didn’t make it to live game
→ there have been no changes to the Leclerc since it was introduced
→ almost 5 years later it finally gets its 5 second reload
It’s a nice buff. But anyone should be whelmed at best by it considering it takes a grand total of 2 lines of code to make the change and it took a comical amount of sources for the fix to come - bug reports for other countries are implemented with only a small fraction of what was provided to the devs.
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12 mph (20 km/h) is a little bit different to the 50 or so km/h the Leclerc has been seen driving at whilst maintaining a 5 second reload.
The 12mph was just what it was tested at, regardless, you did state the M1s would not be able to sustain said reload while moving, it can as was noted from what I gave you, I did however also already acknowledge it would not be able to do this at high speeds.
Possibly true, I don’t know the ex tanker stated his loader could do it under 5s " under the most arduous conditions", but it also doesn’t have such a reload speed in game, which is why I said 5 - 7s is fine.
That said if we are being fair, last I checked unlike loaders, autoloaders cannot face any issues in game as they can’t even be damaged which is why I personally have always preferred Autoloader > Loader.
bug reports for other countries are implemented with only a small fraction of what was provided to the devs
Mainly Russia tbh (no I am not saying Russian bias, they just seem to have all the Russian documents), most other nations have this exact same issue, the 5s reload wasn’t even because of a bug report afaik, Gaijin has known for years the M1 7.8 base reload speed was ahistorical as they straight up acknowledged such in said interview.
That said I have another example of what you are talking about, the AIM-9L was bug reported over a year ago that it should pull 32gs, a mere 2gs and still Gaijin hasn’t changed it, meanwhile in said timeframe the R27s were buffed to 35gs.
Gaijin does what Gaijin does.
Your original statement:
the maximum rate of fire (6 seconds) for the first stage rack of 18 shells can be achieved both stationary and in motion, and at high speed
If the 5 second sustained reload for the Abrams does take into account motion at ‘high speed’ which is what I believed you were implying, the above document is not indicative of this if it only mentions 20 km/h. I was just pointing out reloading at 20 km/h is a lot different to reloading at 50 km/h.
Also, “under the most arduous conditions” could mean anything from running exercises all day in hot weather, or sustaining a 5 second reload at 50 km/h over the roughest terrain known to man.
Russian tanks, sure. But for for bustle autoloaders, the mechanism is entirely compartmentalised to the autoloader. That is, if the autoloader breaks down because it’s been shot, your either dead or you’ve lost all you’re ammo. You could make it necessary to repair the autoloader in the latter case but it’d be redundant for obvious reasons.
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What I also said in that exact same comment you are referring to:
I would say the M1s reload is pretty fair except for high speeds (in regards to whether it was possible)
Once again I don’t know if it is possible at high speeds, all I know is that all the evidence states they can sustain that reload speed whilst moving in general, which was a case against your claim:
Leclerc should have always have had a 5 second reload since it can sustain it irrespective of movement unlike the Abrams
Irrespective of movement would mean the M1s wouldn’t have said reload speed whilst moving regardless of speed i.e. I believe you are basically saying the 5s reload would only be when stationary, which I have already shown isn’t the case.
That was all I was talking about, I already acknowledged at high speeds it probably wouldn’t be possible, but then again I have no clue.
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Regardless I do apologise as this is a Leclerc thread and I have brought up something that is completely off topic, I don’t want to interfere with what you guys are trying to do as I’m honestly just here to learn more about the Leclerc and what’s wrong with them.
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