What about armor protection?
Does developers work on it or they’re just completely ignoring that part?
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This is excellent news!
We only suggested a new shell as a last resort effort to buff Leclerc in case a rate of fire increase was not possible; but, if it’s going to receive a rate of fire increase, I think most of us are happier with this change rather than a new shell!
Both because a higher rate of fire is easier to make best use of, being a more significant change too, and for historical accuracy reasons as well.
Thank you for these news!
Apart from the armor, I would like to ask- is Leclerc’s diesel fuel tanks behaviour intended? I am referring to them exploding like IEDs as soon as they are scratched, lol. I am asking because I genuinely don’t know how realistic and/or intended this may of may not be.
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Hey, happy to hear that then, we will see more about it once the update release i guess :P
Thank you for this news!
Hey @SPANISH_AVENGER, currently there are no difference betwen Leclerc fuel tanks and other tanks. Leclerc fuel tanks are just… Fuel tanks, they do explode as common as other tanks, unfortunately the only way to prevent this is by upgrading the crew, which will make survive fuel explosion most of the time.
The main reason why they seem to explode that much on the Leclerc is because they’re basically everywhere on the hull and they are internal fuel tanks.
If you pay attention, External Fuel Tanks on the Leclerc don’t kill you, but those are not on the front/not the one you are talking about i think.
Internal Fuel Tanks can kill you, while External ones cannot. There was a report about Leclerc fuel tanks, specifically the one you’re probably talking about. Currently we’re doing some research to prove those specifical fuel tanks are separated from other modules by a bulkhead. In the case those fuel tanks would be external, they probably wouldn’t kill you at all.
Of course if i said something wrong Smin can correct me, but i think i explained it the way he could have told you too.
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Oh, interesting, good points, thanks!
If Leclerc gets a 5 second reload, armor improvements and/or others, I guess I’ll have to spend a few GE to max out their vitalities, hehehe. Only maxed in one of them so far- others are at 3/5.
Ideally, the fuel tanks would be separated by bulkheads… I hope so!
Even T-90M’s front fuel tank is counted as “external fuel tank”, so I am hopeful for Leclerc.
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I would love them to start rolling out the fixes. If Gaijin will implement the 5 second reload it’ll motivate me to play france more. Not to mention that it does need a buff. I can only hope they decide to do something with the armor, since it feels horrible that even the 2S38 can kill the Leclerc from the front, both with its APFSDS, and its APCBC shell.
“Tell me you have no idea about what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about” vibe.
France is the 3rd largest arms exporters (probably 2nd in 2024).
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As Manboss191 said, there are plenty of option of vehicles to add whether they are in service, prototypes or made for export.
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Nothing is being ignored.
The reload is the current focus for review. The armour protection is split over multiple reports across the series and requires a deeper investigation.
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You know developers gave the same answer couple years ago and they promised us they will work on this.
İ was expecting different answer this time.
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If only they behaved like them.
And didnt somehow make spall, unlike any other in game fuel tank.
All of the previous reports were investigated and answered. The information was insufficient to make any changes from. None are open from a couple of years ago regarding protection spesifically. All of the open reports regarding protection are from the last 6 months or less:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mZ4wd3MDfctc
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/laZ1T4CQHNtG
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hwpMMr6LKS26
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Xee6lCDX3flX
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You must forget it then.
Couple years ago some guy stuided Leclerc’s armor protection and created very detailed report, developers rejected it and told us they will investigate armor profile further and work on it.
So safe to say nothing has been done about overall protection aside from recent reports looks like.
Also one thing: its becoming pretty clear that Developers are not studying on any vehicle properly, most of the time they add something with inaccuries and expect us to report and fix it. Recent Leopard2A7,M1 Abrams incident and Challenger 2’s are pretty good example.
İs this how it works know? Developers are getting more dependent to playerbase and avoiding any more further investigations?
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Again, nothing has been forgotten :)
Our own investigations and searches for new materials are always ongoing and not limited to any time period. If the developers do not find anything sufficient however from which to make changes, then no changes can take place. There was not a promise that the armour would definitely be improved, simply that our own investigations and re-review of the matter would take place. We have continued to check and review all reports that have come in since and answered them in response.
The current ones that are under investigation are all under 6 months old.
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Like how you guys couldnt find any further information on Leopard2A7 or Abrams family?
For example you guys claimed torsion bar’s on Abrams family cannot even handle extra weight while playerbase has proved this was not true, same for Leo2A7V protection values.
İt was even more funny considering you guys increased Abrams weight every single time with new model while claiming extra weight couldnt be handled by torsion bars.
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We are always grateful for any reports anyone from the community puts in. It often reveals information that can be new, previously unseen or unavailable during previous times when our own investigations take place (which can sometimes be years / months before a vehicle is even planned).
No matter how much research our own team do, the community will always be a larger and further reaching element, able to find things that possibly we cannot.
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Thats what bothers me most, if community can find those informations with their limited resources and search how come developers cant do the same thing?
Gaijin is a really big company and claims they are making one of most realistic game that has ever been released Meanwhile company itself cant even model those vehicles properly and getting more dependent on community reports with every new vehicle.
İf regular people can find more sources im sure you guys can do it with less effort.
Speaking of the UFP issue, I made this some time ago.
On this image, I am not questioning Leclerc’s UFP ingame composition or structure; instead, I simply calculate the values it should have strictly according to Gaijin’s very own modelling.
Interestingly, Gaijin’s KE performance is underperforming nearly by 50% even as according to their own modelling, leaving aside external sources or changes;
(Not to mention the lack of composition improvement on XXI.)
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Pretty sure that wasn’t reported yet.
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We are always looking for new information and sources at all the time. We have over 2000+ vehicles in game, each requiring that same process. Here we are just talking about 1 tank series.
Its always going to be the case however that no matter how much research our internal team do, they will naturally be outnumbered by the community in terms of the sheer volume of numbers and natural scaled number of eyes able to find things. We have many thousands of players but not many thousands of developers or researchers. So its always going to be possible to a larger group of people to find things over a smaller group.
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The UFP yes, is underperforming by quite a lot.
A report about it is coming soon™
As someone that have worked on finding sources for the Leclerc, this isn’t always easy, especially for French Vehicles that are still classified and will be for much time yet, by the time Leclerc manuals and documents will be declassified and useable we will have to wait for quite a lot, same could be said for original firing tests about Leclerc armor, hence why we have to work with that we get, which isn’t a lot for the Leclerc specifically.
Older reports have been refused as @Smin1080p told you, currently there are active reports for the armor and hopefully they will be worked on. In the next months hopefully a better report for the UFP will come and Developers can work on it.
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Then solution is simple, take more time with modelling vehicles, make more detailed research and ask help from community if you get stuck in process.
This kind of approach will be much better then releasing half baked vehicles in my book and will help you to increase your trust level in communities eyes.
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