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Which imply the tank can go up to 100kph because the speedometer said so when the engine limiter is removed.
This is literally what you said, not me. Otherwise why would you even mention reliability and such before this statement?
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How does this contradict what I said initially even? You’re really just pulling at straws, seeing as you ignored the part below that photo for no reason:
So why are they “only” capable of going ~70kph per most sources? Both vehicles are mechanically limited to preserve their powerpacks, which normally begin to experience higher failure rates when pushed above their nominal rating. If they had more powerful cooling & more modern transmissions, both vehicles could reach 100kph
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What im asking is why Germans kept using bolts to attach Arrowhead to turret armor instead of making integrated into turret armor with new builds Leopards.
Because if its hit enough times, you can just take it off and put on a new one. You can’t do that if it’s integrated into the structure (well you can, but you will need a welding team at the site). @Panther2995
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I’ll take your word for it
With French manufacturer documents they always make the distinction with off-road and on-road speed. Some examples:
AMX 10RC (cross-country speed is incorrect as there's footage of the AMX 10RC going faster
AMX 32
Early 2000s Leclerc Brochure
French always differentiate between off-road and on-road speed. For MBTs there is about a 20 km/h difference between the two.
French manufacturer statements aren’t the best. For example, GIAT vaguely states the Leclerc acceleration is “under 5.5 seconds” when its actually a lot faster than that. Which is why you have to refer to the most recent statements as eventually GIAT decides to be a bit more forthcoming.
By all means you can show the footage you want to. But based on the previous trend of how GIAT/ Nexter make their brochures and how it aligns with various independent crew testimony, footage of the Leclerc travelling at 80 km/h (sure you can argue that it’s not - but I doubt it) and a primary source from the French army as well as secondary sources, I’d say it all indicates a top speed of 90 km/h.
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And why would you come to this thread specifically to argue about that?
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On the other hand, even as much as some of you like to paint the 2A7V as not up to the real standards, the truth is that many tanks right now at top tier share that same fate. But at least the 2A7V players can enjoy playing a tank that is otherwise stomping at top tier, with one of the highest winrates and one of the best performances overall, paired with the Swedish tanks who, coincidentally, tend to share the same team with the Germans.
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When we talk about mobility it’s not only about “top seed” lol, we don’t care about it. The Leclerc accelarates way faster + turns way faster without losing energy, reminder that the Leo is almost 10 tons heavier so it just makes sense…
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Yea… almost as if regenerative steering is missing from the game, so heavier MBTs suffer more, whilst the lighter ones suffer less. Just look at the Chally 2s & Type 10, it’s a day & night of difference.
Point is, Leopards turn and behave better than Leclercs in game lol.
Last I checked, both perform a 360 pivot in ~9 seconds. Other than that, I don’t really see them (Leopard 2s) perform better in terms of mobility, especially when we start looking at the heaviest variants, 2A4 maybe sure. In tigher turns, my aced 2A6 basically comes to a halt, whilst my experted S1 stays around ~20 - 25kph.
This video is only a few months old, and I reckon nothing has changed since.
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Isn’t that before the neutral fixes? Might be misremembering, but my S1 is doing pretty good, then again my experience could change when i get to the S21.
I honestly don’t know what change you mean, but I can tell you that the Leclerc is and feel exactly like the video as of now
I’m sure this “CV9035NL” has better armor than the Leclerc.
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Even in WOT Leclercs have 5s reload btw lol
WOT is a fantasy. Not really a good source of information
I know but the sources for 5s reload are omnipresent
People, this is not a thread comparing the Leclerc and the Leo 2, it’s a thread about fixing the Leclerc.
Could you please stop the derail or create a separate thread if you wanna talk about it? Thanks.
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I mean, the Reddit video I posted above is a good sign and a good reminder of why we’re fighting for, among other things, a buff to the Leclerc’s mobility and agility. People assume that it is in a good enough spot and, as everyone can see on the video, it’s almost on par with the Challenger (!!!) while falling behind every other MBT.
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Oh I agree, I linked to this video earlier in the thread myself. I wasn’t especially targeting anyone with my comment, just the ongoing debate that started long before you linked the video 😉
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How is there a Leclerc in WOT? In the standard game? Have they advanced this much?
There’s an interesting view to gain from a game design perspective though. Not that it is a fundamental argument, but the tank gets strengths in some areas while having weaker stats in others. It has an edge you can exploit if you decide to. Now in WT, this isn’t so much the case currently. Especially not for the poor Ariete, who sort of got that treatment as the ultimate “glass cannon” but… fell behind as other nations seriously bulked up.
Color me confused to this day, but I don’t quite get how the top Leopards required DM53 that much. At least not when considering that I actually need to weakspot snipe them in the tank that is one-clickable by their ammo. Again, talking from a game design perspective.