Lack of data simply isn’t true anymore. 15 secondary sources, 1 primary source, 3 videos isn’t lack of data for the Leclerc. A 3 pages document with sources, pictures and estimations isn’t either
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i think he was refering to the ammo tbh. Idk if sources have been shared about those ?
That excuse doesn’t work. Japanese players are on par with the French and look at Japan’s TKX
- 4.0 seconds reload vs 6.0 for leclerc
- better mobility 27.1 hp/ton at 2300 vs 26.7 at 2500
- better dart
- way better protection
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I don’t know about “way better protection”
And from playing both of them they are about the exact same mobility.
I’m not saying Leclerc shouldn’t get a new round. Just that it isn’t surprising at all considering Leclerc has good player stats.
Type 10 has indeed a little bit better protection, especially the hull as @ExcaliburSniper shown above
The gun mantlet alone settles it, the breech is extremely vulnerable on the Leclerc. even autocannons pen with ease.
The UFP is also extremely important in snap engagements and protection on the move, far better on the TKX
I’m going to sound a bit rough, don’t take it personnally but… I miss the part where that’s my problem. People doing good or bad in a vehicule should not be used as a balancing tool. Only the characteristics of said vehicule should matter.
If every new player gets oofed in a leopard or a t-90 because they grinded russia or germany first, well too bad for them, better diversify next time heh
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Exactly
And people should keep in mind that doing as well with a worse tank means you have to compromise in-game. Leclerc and Ariete have no choice but to cheese more, abusing 3rd person peeking, only driving out when it’s safe, avoiding choke points and generally being less effective at playing the objective than something with armor or a good fire rate
That’s why the nerfs don’t do much to the performance, but with every new nerf it becomes more of a chore to play.
Buffing Leclerc won’t make it overpowered just because it’s doing okay in a gimped state, because players will take more risk if they know they’re allowed to survive a couple of hits. Just look at the T80s etc.
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Last update I feel like nobody reacted about that but like… Gaijin added uparmored and better performing vehicles to the only nations that were already “overpowered” compared to the others
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spall liners ?
gotta say, grinding leclerc AZUR with stock APFSDS against those (T-90Ms, STRVs, Leopards) is a life changing experience.
i think a bug report was already created regarding the lack of spall liner on leclerc so hopefully (more like copefully) it will eventually get one too.
As for the lack of reaction, i’d say people in this thread are just jaded, at least it feels like it
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Not only spall liners ! Leo2A6 (and Swedish versions) as well as T80BVM were already the most armored tanks and now they are even more! I think T90M also got a new gen thermal (not sure about that) which makes those 3 tanks basically the best in the games while Leclerc, Ariete, Merkavas, TKX are crying in the corner
It got worse thermals (2 Gen) than the BVM despite being the strongest russian MBT in service IRL XDDDD
the composite covers much less hull than the one on the leclerc and its easier to kill a type 10 with an autocannon to the front than a leclerc its not more armored its just that the little armor it has its thicker meanwhile the leclerc turret its stronger in terms of thickness but only covers a certain ammount meanwhile the type 10 turret composite covers more but has less thickness, as for the breach thickness of the leclerc they better fix that asap that’s straight up a model bug not a feature
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the composite covers much less hull than the one on the leclerc
… which tank has the greener UFP against APFSDS?
everyone knows how unreliable its protection map upper front plate i never go at the upper front plate of the leclerc cuz most of the cases it bounce and the same goes for the type 10, using armor mapping its completely unreliable in fact most people will do their own mapping due to how bad it is at doing its job lol
You don’t need to use the protection map if you don’t like it.
Top tier darts ricochet at 81 degrees, Leclerc UFP is 74 degrees, TKX is 84 degrees.
Simple as. On level ground the TKX has enough angle to ricochet every dart. Sure some of them might go into the turret but that’s better than a pen.
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i grinded using arcade assault recently, got the french map a few times. Went for the upper plate of bots leclerc S21 and S1, rarely got a bounce or non pen.
and i was using OFL 120 G1 with 425mm pen mind you.
fair to say the pen map is quite accurate in that particular case.
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AHAH sure buddy. I would love to play the Leclerc you’re speaking of. Too bad it’s just a fantasy.
If you never go for the UFP on the Leclercs, you’re missing out big time. It’s a no brainer, safe bet to obliterate the tank in 1 shot. I have gotten killed by rounds penetrating that plate at a totally flat angle. It isn’t like the Abrams, which aftentimes diverts the ropunds upwards and they bounce on the cheeks. The plate on the Leclerc won’t do that.
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Alright. On another topic, some people « leaked » the Leclerc XLR, a Leclerc prototype and the SHARD APFSDS for the next update. Any thoughts ?
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