Err… Your source states that none of the guns were ever even finished, so I’m not sure how you can draw any conclusion about the munition existing.
The pen numbers are pure estimations based on what we know of the guns, because they were never ever fired once since the guns didn’t physically exist.
The gun was designed around the ammo. Ammo, usually AP for tanks, probably the highest pressure round for ships as well… so AP, is what guns are designed around.
That way they can make the breach an adequate thickness. After all, by 1930 even, ammo stopped being tested through guns, and there was rather precise math behind it.
But I see your point, while the gun might not have exists, thus the known certain numbers of the round aren’t available to us.
However, we can still estimate based on what they were intending for the obviously built ammo to do.
Ammo gets recycled once it’s no longer needed tho, so obviously no examples will exist.
Just as there are likely 140 & 152mm rounds that have no surviving examples.
Point is, the AP shell for the Kronshtadt only existed on paper at best, so gaijin has absolutely no ground to stand on to deny a 140mm APFDS shell that does exist for the Leclerc T4 if/when it gets added.
They have already said they are taking more creative liberties with ships than tanks or aircraft.
They’re really not, as ships require a minimum of being laid down which is beginning production.
With tanks they allow prototypes, but prototypes don’t exist for ships so…
Which is a rule that is pretty much tailor made for Russia as they were the only ones that were both lacking in terms of ships that were actually built and had a lot of laid down but never completed ships.
Other nations either actually finished their ships or would’ve been fine without incomplete ships being added in the game. USA would be fine without the Montana-class, Japan would be fine without the Ibuki-class, France would be fine without De Grasse (the as designed version, not the as completed). UK/Italy/Germany would’ve been fine with the ships they built. But Russia without Sovetsky Soyuz, Kronshtadt or Stalingrad would’ve been pretty lacking, so of course they are taking more liberty there.
Regardless, a 140mm APFDS shell does exist so there’s absolutely no reason for them to reject it.
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I’m not sure if OFL 120 F1 in game has predetermined stats or if it’s based on the lanz odermatt formula but if it’s the latter then It’s underperforming because it’s mass is supposed to be 4kg unlike the 3.8 copy pasted from OFL 120 G1
All APFSDS rounds use the most accurate formula.
And I don’t see how it could be under-performing since it pens 620mm RHA steel at 60 degrees.
Likely just a statcard inaccuracy, or a source inaccuracy.
I’ve said UNDERperforming,
My brain said I typed under-performing, reflexive memory betrayed me.
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It doesn’t. I wonder where are you taking this from, not from the game obviously.
Yes from the game. Look at the 60 degree angle pens and multiply by 2.
Or use the equation if you don’t trust multiplication:
Armor thickness / cos[angle].
Again, where are you taking this from ? Anyway, that’s not the problem here, the point is every other nation got their latest round, only France’s Leclerc didn’t (and don’t confuse OFL F2 with OFLE F2). Worst, each new iteration of the Leclerc has been a copy paste of the previous one and a half-arse job.
4 nations have equivalent rounds at 11.7 inferior to other nations.
USSR: 3BM60, 616 at 2km, 666 at 100m.
France: OFL F1, 620 at 2km, 662 at 100m.
DTC10-125: 616 at 2km, 664 at 100m.
L27A1: 622 at 2km, 650 at 100m.
So 40% of nations have rounds inferior to DM53 [fired by 3 nations], Type 10, M829A2, and M338.
I would not be surprised if we haven’t gotten F2 due to them having difficulties finding all the necessary information, or maybe they have and it’s significantly more powerful than DM55 fired through L/55.
If it’s similar, I’d like to see it personally, BUT I’d rather have accurate armor first.
I can deal with 3BM60/L27A1/OFL F1 if I have the armor to back it up.
Gaijin has already stated about the UFP and it’ll probably never be fixed. There is a lot of information available regarding OFL F2, they just don’t want to add it.
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Type 10s reload is kind of a mystery because there are videos like this. At least implying that it might be able to reload even faster.
The notion that the Leclerc’s need OFL 120 F2 to be competitive is silly. There is nothing presently in-game that M829A2 or DM53 can penetrate that OFL 120 F1 can’t or that OFL 120 F2 can. Begging for better ammunition changes nothing and is low hanging fruit.
The next breakthrough in munitions in this game is going to be M829A3 with its anti-era penetrators. Given that the best Russian round in existence is already in-game means that unless Gaijin wants to give them fake ammunition, the current crop of APFSDS (which is balanced when compared to each other) is what we’re going to be using for the foreseeable future.
I do believe that the Leclerc is suffering from some artificial nerfs. The armor doesn’t perform accurately. The turret traverse is too slow. The autoloader is too slow. The engine seems to be performing poorly as well. I remember being in awe at how fast the Leclerc was when I first unlocked it compared to my Abrams and T-80’s. It now seems kind of sluggish. That said, the 6 second reload that even stock Leclerc’s get is as fast as or faster than everything save a Type10/TKX or a Challenger 2 with rounds in the ready rack.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’d like to see all vehicles perform as close to their real life counterparts as possible and in this regard, I think the Leclerc is getting shafted.
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IDK about that, sir.
Maybe it doesn’t, maybe it does.
All I know from personal experience I do fine, and IDK if F2 would make my experience better, but whether it needs it or not is more up to Gaijin than us.
the only thing ofl 120 f2 would do is help with consistency in post pen
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I don’t understand this fierce opposition to the addition of F2, it’s beyond me… To believe that we are afraid of it without wanting to say it. The hulls in WT are only figures that they would be very quick to add, in addition it could give the appearance of a real improvement between the Leclerc S2 and S21. The S2 would have the F1 and the S21 would have the F2. If for you, add the F2 that a good part of the participants share on that, and “Idiot” wishes, but I find that many people had the same stupid idea and few people found it stupid and useless, then you are going to have to question yourselves my boys.
Personally I’m not at Leclerc yet, even if I’m not very far from it, but just to tell myself that I’m going to have to Grind the same vehicle 3 times without any real change, vehicle for which I hear a Lot of faults like lacking and quite off-putting, so even for just one type of shell, making the S21 would already seem less cancerous to obtain if one had the prospect of having a better shell.
And Gaijin is quite lazy so if some diehards tell us again that they think the F2 is useless for obscure reasons, they won’t add it.
Besides at the risk of surprising you the main theme and “Le Leclerc desperately needs a buff” and not “Le Leclerc should not receive the OFL F2”, so to translate here we are looking for “solutions” for the do better and not spend the last two weeks telling us that OFL F2 is useless. To discuss things not to add to Leclerc you can create another topic.
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