Leclerc is still good at 12.7.
@MotorolaCRO wouldn’t it be fair to put them at 12.0? They are moreso on par with M1A1, which IMO would reshuffle their BRs to be:
M1A1: 12.0
Leclerc S1/S2: 12.0
Leclerc AZUR/SXX1 w/ better round: 12.3
M1A1 HC+: 12.7
Keep in mind that at 12.0, the M1A1 would have no survivability nor armour to play with – effectively a more mobile Ariete with worse turret survivability but better hull. At least the Leclerc has ~590mm turret cheeks along with its good mobility, reload, and versatility.
I was surprised at how many turret shots my Leclerc bounced.
I’d use Leclerc over M1A1 any day of the week.
Placing Leclerc under 2A5 wouldn’t be that good either.
They’re fine at 12.7, we just need 13.0 to move uparmored Leopards and maybe some more tanks in.
Abrams are the best vehicles compared to their br overall…
Only exception is the 10.7 one or something around that br.
10.7 abrams is arguably the 2nd best 10.7 mbt.
The M1A1 is not the equivalent to a leclerc, while i believe the leclerc are mid, not great nor bad.
The M1A2 is comparable to tbe first leclerc which the M1A2 is under BRd not the leclerc over BRd.
M1A2 is far better than first Leclerc.
M1A2 equals to S2 at least.
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how so ?
I’ve got the first two leclercs man and they’re almost identical bar the S2 is actually heavier due to the Air con unit and such having been added.
The armours on them are identical, round, reload, optics etc all the same.
Only difference realistically is the S2 may accelerate slightly slower.
So how is the M1A2 “far better than the first leclerc” yet equal to the S2.
which is if anything, worse than the first one
Because S2 actually has better armor on Turret slightly, the weight doesn’t come from AC unit only.
I would agree if the Leclerc had a resemblance of a turret, but have you seen how massive that breach is? The cheeks are on the far edges and are not usually what’s getting hit. Aside from that, M1A1 is more mobile, can carry more shells, has better shells, better utility, etc. I would say that M1A1’s pros outweigh the minimal extra turret armor, and make them out to be rather equal.
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And I would use Leclerc over M1A1 any day of the week. Might just be upto preference.
I wouldn’t really see how Leclercs could be oppressive at 12.0 but we could agree on 12.3 for all of them?
the S2 doesn’t have better turret armour at all dude? it’s identical xD
the SXXI and such added the extra armour.
What’s your stance on the 11.7 Ariete?
I would say they are fine tanks. They’re playable, but could go down.
Though I prefer that they get their accurate armor instead of going down to 11.3:
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It seems you dont know the armor diagram.
S2 has slighlty increased turret armor on both front and side armor.
If Gaijin changed it or didnt implemented it then thats on them, not S2’s problem.
So is the M1A1 a 0.7 difference to the current Ariete in your opinion? (0.3 if the Ariete got usable turret cheek armour)
Yes. But it could be a 0.3 if it had its proper armor as you said.
Yes in real life of course it’s upgraded.
In the game it’s identical mate.
They have literally in gamethe same turret armour
After the turret basket change, maybe.
Before that ? Nah.