For now, looks like it’s going to have worse shell, worse thermal, worse reload, and a better armor at 10.7
Funny
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Yeah, for the shell and the thermal I can understand to a certain extent but for the reload it’s absolutely absurd that they nerf the speed of an autoloader while they buff manual reloads on many tanks
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I’m not making the decisions. I personally find dubious at best the claims for the composite on the MSC. I would rather have the Leclerc armor fixed, and MSC staying as a paper tank with very good reload at a lower BR
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I am curious as to why the developer made this decision.
They have to give that armor update to the production Leclercs up the tree too right?.. No way they’re doing something that weird.
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When I see the previous messages, IMO some people are getting excited about nothing. The tank isn’t exceptional at its BR, no more or less than the equivalent of a Leo2A4. It is as it is, with its weaknesses and strengths, and in 10.7 it’s in its place with its current characteristics.
We need to temper the comments, between those who won’t play with it and who will say it’s too powerful, and those who will use it and who always say they don’t have enough… People, be pragmatic.
Regarding the armor update for the production version… there is indeed something to be done, but it’s not to put the same thing on the Leclerc as on the MSC, but rather to give the current armor layout of the Leclercs values more consistent(buff) with the high-tech composites currently installed on the vehicles, knowing that the 3D representation present in the game is consistent with the known and declassified data… although, that too varies between the S1 and the S21.
Where it is really necessary to intervene on the other hand, is on the composition of the lower hull armor on the production versions of Leclercs, actually just a 50mm RHA. But in reality it is almost identical to what we find on the AMX-32(120) in the game, namely, two plates separated from each other, either by air or by composite (there is no declassified information on this). Having observed it myself on many occasions, I can say that what we have at our feet in the cockpit is not the simple 50mm plate present in the game, but at least another of roughly equal thickness approximately 35-40cm behind.
It may be silly, but just to make this part more realistic would prevent these tanks from getting blown up by 57mm autocanons or even smaller ones from the front…
wiat what i never knew Type-90 can go that fast
Arcade values :)
2A4NL is 1 tank. Stop endorsing one death leaving.
I mean those here on the forums are usually not that special.
Yeah if the 2A4 can stay at 10.7 I’m sure the MSC wouldn’t be too out of place.
Would be nice if they could add the Belgian leo 1a5 Cockerill to that line up instead of only copy pasted leo 2a4’s… Hoping that they will add the interesting benelux vehicles instead of copy paste only…
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Well, that’s a lot of armor
yeah they will add those in " SuBsEqVeNt UpDaTeS" SminTM
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If I am correct, hull is identical, but turret is quite significantly better ?
I believe the armor is 450 in NERA for the hull and turret currently (I have a big doubt)
Does the MSC’s UFP shielding work properly compared to the Leclerc’s?
No. The only decently armored part is the horizontal bar where the lower front plate and the upper front plate joins
Which is still better than the production Leclercs lol
The Leclerc’s hull has been underperforming for as long as the Leclercs have been in-game.
With the introduction of the MSC, perhaps Gaijin will take a second look at the hull of the production Leclercs?
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I wouldnt count on it
The MSC’s hull is EXTREMELY more effective than all of the production Leclercs…
MSC gets like 640mm+ KE on it’s hull bulkhead while all of the production Leclercs are stuck with like 560mm+ KE.
MSC hull can resist DM53 fired from the L/55 while production hulls can’t even stop 3BM60…
Here’s the difference visualized by some screenshots
Production
MSC
Basically MSC hull gets the 12.0 dart ready level of protection (except for the UFP which is unchanged) us France mains have been dreaming to see come to rest of the Leclercs, while the production Leclercs are still rocking the weaker hulls that struggle to stop 3BM60.
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