The Leclerc is in dire need of a buff

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
4771

Well then I don’t think it’s a vehicle issue / placement I’d say.
The matchmaker is the problem.
But besides that, the 2A4 / Abrams got nerfed. They are much more easy to kill.

I can get that.
Though AMX-40, Merkava Mk.2D, and Sabra Mk.1 aren’t that bad in a full uptier.
There’s plenty of other BRs where an uptier is much more frustrating (such as 7.7 fighting 8.7s, or 10.7s / 11.0s fighting 11.7s / 12.0s).

Some can, but some can’t.
T-72A / T-64A can’t even survive an UFP shot against the most common round at their own BR (105mm DM33).
T-64B is much better, but its UFP is roughly only ~430mm of protection.
If it’s only facing 2A4s / Abrams – it’s pretty good.
But most other 10.7s / (even 10.3s) things will go through it as well.
Then you get to the T-80UD, which has an UFP that most (if not) all MBTs can’t pen – even in a full uptier… with only the M1A1 having a good chance.

4772

Not suffering, but nerfed to artificially lower its BR to 9.7

4773

Fair.
Though do you want it to get those buffs and be a higher BR?

4774

Yes, along Vextra and maybe Roland (Idk if the proper elevation of Roland would make it worthy of that) Especially since realistic AMX-40 and Vextra are more than capable of 10.3-10.7 (Making a lineup with S. Etendard, 2A4, and the 10.0 Tiger HAP)

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4775

I’ll answer your question. No. It would still be shit.

I strongly believe all Roland slingers should be moved down to 9.3 and lower, their missiles are borderline useless.

4776

Fair, surely there’s a system for the ~10.0 that I’m forgetting, but yeah as a France main I wouldn’t know if the missiles are good; I can’t even elevate high enough to use 'em lol

4777

For Germany’s it called Osa-AK (serious), idk if there’s anything for France.

4778

Probably the improved Mistral systems and the various other Crotale stages and whatnot

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4779

I don’t think the AMX-40 is suffering

Not suffering, just a horrendously innacurate depiction.

AMX-40 has been missing it’s turret composite for YEARS now, but Gaijin completely refuses to fix it for lineup/balance issues.

This is as stupid as placing the M1 Abrams at 10.0 with 0 turret composites, and then refusing to give it’s correct armor and adjust it’s BR because of “the lineup” that it was artificially placed in due to how gimped it is.

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4780

AMX-40 missing its turret composite and the Ariete(s) missing their hull composite be like:

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4781

Ye both AMX-40 and Ariete players love suffering the weight penalty for armor that isn’t modeled.

GIVE IT BACK

(Fun fact the AMX-40’s turret armor was removed with 0 reasoning despite GIAT themselves directly stating it exists)

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4782

Didn’t the good ol’ 40 also have Gen 2 thermals not 1?

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4783

Mistral 3 would be fairly capable

20G according to Gaijin’s weird calculation on manpads, same range as the current roland (8km officially). Could come on a variety of high mobility platforms

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4784

Sadly I don’t think we will ever get it in War Thunder …

4785

New video on the Leclerc XLR showing him reloading
Just some eye candy for you all, waiting for them to add the XLR soon in the game

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4786

How is the leclerc azure still missing commander thermal imaging?
Since its an HL-80 sight!

4787

Wouldn´t expect too much of a gameplay improvement beyond new fancier thermal sights.

4788

Well, the XLR doesn’t fire OFL-F1 at least.
And many other type of shells that clearly should be added, like the multi purpose High Explosive and such.

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4789

AZUR doesn’t have it. Commander thermal sight have only UAE Leclerc (HL 80) and Leclerc SXXI (HL 120)

4790

But in terms of gameplay, the only important addition that would come with the XLR would be the SHARD APFSDS, which is still a very poorly understood round. Yes, the programmable HE would come very handy especially if Gaijin does something with infantry but still APFSDS are more important to gameplay.

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